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Subject: Re: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:47:29 EST


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> Before beginning your project, you might be interested in "talking" to
> Leonard M. Keane, Jr. (he is on this list) and/or visiting his website. He
> hopes DNA will confirm relationships between "Families having a
> traditionally-claimed descent from the UiNEILL of Ulster include, among
> others, and all variants: BUCHANAN; CAIN(E); HENRY; KANE; KEANE;
> McCAUGHAN; McCAIN; McCLOSKEY; McHENRY; McNEILL; McSHANE; McSWEENEY;
> O'CATHAIN; O'DONNELL; O'HAGAN; O'MELLAN; O'NEILL; O'QUINLAN and O'QUINN"
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> This is a relatively new project and there are not any "close" matches as
> yet. Here's a link to his website:
> and O'QUINN
> http://hometown.aol.com/dolmenx/myhomepage/index.html
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> >Subject: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN
> > If so, is there possibly an existing database that would provide the
> >data to make this determination? To assemble a representative sample of
> >testees from all three lines could be a major endeavor.
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All:

Thanks for your kind recommendatiion, Ginny! My website has been in
distress for a while and not up to date, as I've been unable to edit it. None of the
'quick fixes' work! If anyone out there can recommend an easy to edit web
page host or can offer to host mine it would be appreciated.

As for the questions raised about the ralationships among those Scottish
clans, yes they are similar to what I am trying to resolve in my project. I'm
sure finding COMYNs would be the most difficult.

What I' m finding with only 13 test results thus far is basically what was
expected: several KEANE, KANEs, etc. tested appear to have separate origins 2
of them R1a; we also have a MacNEILL who is R1a, Another who just joined is
anxious to learn if he is a branch of O'NEILL or of Scottish/Viking origin.

All other KEANEs, McCAINs, etc. are R1b and the haplotypes are similar enough
to suggest a common origin as O'CAHANs of Ulster. The differences are
overwhelmingly in the 'fast mutators' and range in 'genetic distance' from roughly
2 to 10. MRCAs could be from about 400 years ago to 1700 years ago. I'm
using my own connected lineage of over 50 generations (averaging 33.5 years
overall, but 25 years since 1500) as the standard, as it enables dating the
branch-off points of several of the other surnames of interest. My problem is
that on the higher ends of 'genetic distance' current interpretation would be
'no relationship' , which is in complete opposition to authoritative
scholarship and historical record. Are all Ulster Gaels VERY fast mutators? All
thoughts welcome?
Len Keane

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