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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:04:39 -0600
In-Reply-To: <003701c3eaad$811fe9e0$415ac242@hppav>


Janet
We have a series of McKeen, McKean(sometime pronounced Mc Kane) in our
clan Donald study as well as Jura descendants. Please send your
husband's results; I'll let you know how they compare. If you are
getting samples from either the Lordship or Ulster, those are of great
interest in addition to your husband's results. Feel free to send the
data off line if you are keeping it confidential.
Mark MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: LJCrain [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:29 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN

Len; I checked your results and my husband matches one of your
participants
12/12, but then there are 5 markers off in the next 13. This is the same
person I was referring to in my post on Sun. He is a MacCain. I am
inclined
to believe there is an ancient kinship. So far everyone of our CRAIN
matches
who are of a different surname are from Ireland and have surnames that
were
once septs of Clan Donald. There were MacCrains, MacCains, and
Galbraiths on
Jura, an island once owned or controlled by Clan Donald for hundreds of
years. Another thing these men have in common is a County Down, Ulster,
Ireland history. I have not proved this for our CRAIN's but I am very
close.

Stay tuned. :-)

Janet Crain


----- Original Message -----
From: <>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN


> In a message dated 2/3/2004 2:49:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> > X-Message: #15
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:36:32 -1000
> > From: "GKBopp" <>
> > To:
> > Message-ID: <006c01c3ea8d$0aef5050$>
> > Subject: Re: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN
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> >
> > Before beginning your project, you might be interested in "talking"
to
> > Leonard M. Keane, Jr. (he is on this list) and/or visiting his
website.
He
> > hopes DNA will confirm relationships between "Families having a
> > traditionally-claimed descent from the UiNEILL of Ulster include,
among
> > others, and all variants: BUCHANAN; CAIN(E); HENRY; KANE; KEANE;
> > McCAUGHAN; McCAIN; McCLOSKEY; McHENRY; McNEILL; McSHANE;
McSWEENEY;
> > O'CATHAIN; O'DONNELL; O'HAGAN; O'MELLAN; O'NEILL; O'QUINLAN and
O'QUINN"
> >
> > This is a relatively new project and there are not any "close"
matches
as
> > yet. Here's a link to his website:
> > and O'QUINN
> > http://hometown.aol.com/dolmenx/myhomepage/index.html
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: jimbettyd [mailto:]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:23 AM
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [DNA] DAVIDSON CLAN ORIGINS - MacPHERSON or COMYN
> > > If so, is there possibly an existing database that would provide
the
> > >data to make this determination? To assemble a representative
sample
of
> > >testees from all three lines could be a major endeavor.
> >
> >
>
> All:
>
> Thanks for your kind recommendatiion, Ginny! My website has been in
> distress for a while and not up to date, as I've been unable to edit
it.
None of the
> 'quick fixes' work! If anyone out there can recommend an easy to edit
web
> page host or can offer to host mine it would be appreciated.
>
> As for the questions raised about the ralationships among those
Scottish
> clans, yes they are similar to what I am trying to resolve in my
project.
I'm
> sure finding COMYNs would be the most difficult.
>
> What I' m finding with only 13 test results thus far is basically what
was
> expected: several KEANE, KANEs, etc. tested appear to have separate
origins 2
> of them R1a; we also have a MacNEILL who is R1a, Another who just
joined
is
> anxious to learn if he is a branch of O'NEILL or of Scottish/Viking
origin.
>
> All other KEANEs, McCAINs, etc. are R1b and the haplotypes are similar
enough
> to suggest a common origin as O'CAHANs of Ulster. The differences are
> overwhelmingly in the 'fast mutators' and range in 'genetic distance'
from roughly
> 2 to 10. MRCAs could be from about 400 years ago to 1700 years ago.
I'm
> using my own connected lineage of over 50 generations (averaging 33.5
years
> overall, but 25 years since 1500) as the standard, as it enables
dating
the
> branch-off points of several of the other surnames of interest. My
problem is
> that on the higher ends of 'genetic distance' current interpretation
would be
> 'no relationship' , which is in complete opposition to authoritative
> scholarship and historical record. Are all Ulster Gaels VERY fast
mutators? All
> thoughts welcome?
> Len Keane
>
> ______________________________



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