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Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroups K and K*
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:18:09 EST

In a message dated 03/02/04 10:32:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
writes:

> In your List response below you stated; " .... and haplogroups M-R (which
> branch off of K on the tree diagram) are subgroups of K".
>
> I would agree with you that haplogroups K thru R are all derived through
> the common SNP, M9. However, I do not believe that the Phylogenetic Tree
> of Binary Y-Chromosomeal Haplogroups intended us to conclude that
> haplogroups M-R are subgroups of K. This would be similar to saying that
> haplogroups C thru R are subgroups of B because of the common SNP M42.

There may be a better word than "subgroups," but yes, I would interpret the
diagram to call M-R subgroups of K. The color coding on the 2003 version of the
tree in Jobling's paper shows that K encompasses [M through R].

http://www.le.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/JoblingTS.03.NRG.Review.pdf

M42, on the other hand, splits into two parts, B and [C through R], so I
wouldn't call [C through R] subgroups of B.

It's awkard notation, because the capital letters don't really correspond to
levels like a formal outline would. When you get out to the ends, it's easier
to tell that R1a1 and R1a and R1 are levels of an outline. But R is nested
inside P, which is nested inside K, which is nested inside F, so the outline
levels can't be deduced from the letters. At least that's the way I look at it.

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