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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Alan Derriscott's report on his GeoGene report
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:25:00 -0600
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Did you mean M168+M89+M170?

Do your sources of recent information shed any light on the time and
location of the split of haplogroup "I" into Ia and Ib? This split seems
very fundamental and geographically robust in Europe. Anything that can be
said about it would probably tell us a lot about the dispersal of the
Gravettians through Europe.

Ken


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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:06 AM
Subject: [DNA] Alan Derriscott's report on his GeoGene report


> Alan sent me a summary of his experience with GeoGene, which I am sharing
> with the list. Alan took the GeoFather test for the Y chromosome. They
also have
> a GeoMother test for mtDNA. GeoGene's website is at http://www.geogene.com
>
> ====
>
> Dear Ann
>
> My SNP test results arrived today, 2nd April 2004. GeoGene received my DNA
> sample on Feb.5th 2004; so completion of SNP test took 8 weeks.
>
> GeoGene advised me after 6 weeks that my SNP results were delayed, but the
> STR results were:-
>
> --DYS19--388--390--391--392--393
> AJD= 14---14---22---10---11---13
>
> This signature matched the results from the 3 test labs I had used
> previously, and that there was a 98% chance
> that the SNP would prove to be M170.
>
> My report from GeoGene says that the SNP analysis had identified three key
> genetic markers, M168+/M69+/M170+;
> which is exactly what I wanted at this stage of my research.
>
> I share your thoughts on how lucky our ancestors were to have survived the
> trials and tribulations of just staying alive, as detailed from the
Y-chrom
> 'junk' notebook.
>
> Some recent raw data has now put M170/Gravettian as having been formed
about
> 38k years BP. Please see:
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns99994586
>
> The 9th paragraph lists the source as the McDonald Institute Monograph,
>
> 'Neanderthals and modern humans in the European landscape during the last
> glaciation'. Editors Tjeerd H.van Andel & William Davies. Pub.March 2004.
265
> pages.
>
> The raw data in the form of maps, tables and charts in chapter 4, pages
45,
> 46 & 56 are a new view of the M170/Gravettian and M173/Aurignacian
cultures and
> ages.
>
> Please use any part of this info as you think best.
>
> Best wishes to you and yours, Alan.
>
> Alan J.Derriscott,
> Wallasey, Wirral, England,
> <>
>
> [second message]
>
> Dear Ann
>
> Further to my earlier email re. GeoGene test results.
>
> The GeoFather DNA Sequence Chart is quite impressive;
> being A3 in size and in full colour.
>
> With the chart was a CD-R80/48x containing a copy of my GeoFather
wallchart
> in PDF format,and Acrobat viewer for Windows.
>
> When placed in my 'D'drive I was able to print a full colour copy in A4
size,
> and save the file to my USB Flash Drive.
>
> Also included in the GeoGene package is a copy of Alan Savin's book, DNA
For
> Family Historians, 2003 edition.
>
> I quoted raw data from the McDonald Institute Monograph, Douglas Palmer,
who
> wrote the summary, in the New Scientist pub. in paragraph 14 has the
> Gravettian culture at 29k to 30k years BP in eastern Europe.
>
> My quotes are from the raw data and find the Gavettians in the time slice
34k
> to 38k years BP, already established in 5 locations, the most significant
I
> feel will be Dolni Vestonice, Czech Republic.
>
> I can recommend GeoGene, even though they took a little longer than their
> advert stated. My results are wholly satisfactory.
>
> Best wishes, Alan.
>
> Alan J.Derriscott,
> Wallasey, Wirral, England,
> <>
>
>
>
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