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From: "Steven C. Perkins" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DNA Matches > Scottish Matches
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:05:15 -0500
In-Reply-To: <IIECKLIINDMLKICCFOBJEEPMIPAB.jahansen@qwest.net>


John:

I am a 24/25 match to the alleged Somerled set of markers. Outside of
three Perkins cousins, I have 1 24/25 match and 5 23/25 matches. All with
Scottish surnames. So far only one has had a 37 marker test and we
matched 32/37. Until one of the MacDonalds tests, I am not sure that
23/25 or 24/25 matches with differing surnames actually lead to a
connection by descent as opposed to an "identical by state" situation.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins


On 2 May 2004 at 8:17, John A Hansen wrote:

Date forwarded: Sun, 02 May 2004 09:18:06 -0600
Date sent: Sun, 02 May 2004 08:17:08 -0700
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From: John A Hansen <>
Subject: [DNA] DNA Matches > Scottish Matches
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>
> Dear Don:
>
> I would think that a 25/25 match would certainly indicate
> that you would want to focus a lot of effort on that precise
> tree. There is some potential for misleading but at this
> point I would even recommend upgrading to the new
> 37 marker test for that analysis!
>
> Your odds of actually finding a written genealogy trail
> amongst those 25/25 matches is certainly a lot more
> probable than merely trying to connect two uncertain
> suspected matches that have no certain connection.
>
> My strong recommendation is to also use DNA testing as
> verification of the standard genealogy research due
> to the occasional mysterious paternity events and
> other human mistakes that have mislead genealogist
> for hundreds of years.
>
> BTW: The Scottish DNA study does share information and
> the participants are eager to match their written records with
> anyone that even comes close to a match. Some of these
> written ( and proven) genealogy ancestry records go back
> hundreds of years.
>
> Best Regards
> John A Hansen
>
>
>
>
> From: Doug McDonald <>
> Subject: Re: [DNA] MRCA, Mutations, Statistics, Etc.
> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
> In-Reply-To: <<>>
>
> --- wrote:
> >> I would even go so far as
> > to say that a
> > DNA match in the context of an extensive surname
> > project might convey
> > the right to say that person A is "presumably
> > descended from immigrant
> > B" or even from B's grandson C (if that branch is
> > marked by a known
> > mutation). However, filling in the details of the
> > descent is still
> > the job of conventional genealogy.
> >
>
> Well, there is my Yahoo mail user name. What about
> that?
>
> I'm claiming, solely on the basis of my name, that
> my Scottish ancestor came over when lots of others
> did from McDonald rich northern Scotland, and DNA,
> that I descend (in the male line) from a man who
> died in 1164 (or a close relative). While this is
> somewhat presumptuous, I view it as actually probably
> , quite probably, true. (Note that one can't be
> absolutely certain what the match is ... 23/25, 24/25,
> or 25/25. Mark McDonald is saying it is 25/25. I have
> part of his proprietary data, and am not so sure, but
> there is zero question that I am a 25/25 match with at
> least one of the chiefs that surely descend from him.)
> Also, there are numerous lines from me to him not in
> the male line, all well proven with paper.
>
> There are lots of other McDonalds in the US who match
> me 25/25, and none of us has been able, yet, to use
> this to find a paper trail to anybody, so far as I
> know. (We've had this only a month of so of course.)
> Unfortunately, we don't know who matches us
> in the UK .... except for the nobility and clan chiefs
> ... because Bryan Sykes won't share data with our
> US based Clan Donald DNA study, and anyway he probably
> has only 10 markers. We are going likely have to find
> people in the US who have paper trails back to
> Scotland, and get 37 or even 44 marker DNA.
>
> Doug McDonald
>
>
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