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From: Steve Williamson <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Theories on Haplotypes for Franks , Vandals , Goths etc.
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <BCBD121A.8AAC%starry@hhadvertising.com>


Shane,
I agree with you, and expressed the same viewpoint in
the "Celts Schmelts" thread.

Steve Williamson

--- Shane <> wrote:
> James,
>
> All the above. I think it would probably be wrong to
> believe there is one
> haplogroup that's indicative of a Germanic tribal
> confederation. Just like
> being Celtic, being Germanic was cultural. As an
> example: It would be hard
> to imagine that the Hallstatt or Urnfield Celts of
> eastern Europe were all
> R1b. DNA studies of eastern Europe indicate they
> were more likely to have
> been something other that R1b. Yet today R1b is
> thought of as the "Celtic"
> haplogroup. The only thing that R1b has to do with
> being "Celtic" is that it
> was the predominant haplogroup in a place were
> Celtic culture survived the
> longest. Consider the ancient Belgae. They straddled
> the Rhine--the
> traditional border between the Celtic and Germanic
> worlds of Roman time.
> Caesar made it clear they spoke a language different
> from Celtic, yet they
> weren't considered Germanic either. They were a
> hybrid of both cultures. The
> Belgae are a good example of the sort of genetic
> mixing that probably
> occurred for thousands of years among all the
> peoples of Europe. It would
> certainly make it easier for us if there were such
> clear distinctions, but
> that doesn't seem to be the case. Cultures are
> temporal events that over
> take regions from time to time. Consider that most
> of the Frankish
> population were actually Gaulish. Same with the
> "Normans". Most of
> Anglo-Saxon England was Celtic. Perhaps in time we
> will begin to see certain
> haplotypes that are more common than others within a
> specific region, I
> think that is already happening, but to believe
> there is one haplogroup that
> identifies a people is a generalization.
>
> Shane
>
>
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