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From: "Lowe DNA" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Haplotype "Q" in Shetland Islands
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:54:03 -0500
In-Reply-To: <20040511204402.17517.qmail@web50406.mail.yahoo.com>


David...

Thanks for the update from 8 to 4 percent....that is still a high percentage
for Aleut cross-over from Greenland and/or
Iceland...or Central Asia.....And I was not aware of any Q's found in
Norway...?? However, shall anticipate findings and emails from you and Jim
Wilson on this subject.....Will you and Jim include tests on the ladies to
find possible maternal haplagroups A-X in these same populations....???

As yet, I have not been able to find academic papers that have detailed and
tied together Q or Q3 NRY haplogroups, and A-X mtDNA haplagroups, in the
Scandinavian countries....nor any that have correlated these
paternal/maternal groups back to the Aleut populations in the NW Atlantic or
to migrations of Q's from Asia to the Atlantic coast by blood group or some
other autosomal marker....It would ironic if some of these Shetland Q's
turned out to be Q3-M3 which is definitely Amerindian...

In addendum....I have written to all of the Q and Q3 people on YSEARCH that
have email addresses listed and requested each of them to add "AMERINDIAN"
to one of the YSEARCH SURNAME "name lines" on the right side of each of
their YSEARCH records.....This will enable our group of haplogroup Q and Q3
men to search on AMERINDIAN and bring up "ALL" the 9 sub-clades, or
haplotypes, of Q* thru Q3c on YSEARCH ...and then to do one COMPARE in the
right-hand column on all of these men's YSEARCH results....

At this point, I would welcome a detailed SNP test to determine if I am Q*,
Q, Q1, Q2 as the present Q or Q3 designation is not detailed enough for my
needs....when this sub-clade is identified then I can "drill down" with my
genealogical research to use your earlier phraseology....

Thanks

Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: David Faux [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:44 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [DNA] Haplotype "Q" in Shetland Islands


Bill:

I don't know that Q has ever been observed in Mainland Britain, and if so I
would guess that their ancestors came from elsewhere. Jim Wilson and I were
discussing this topic this morning, and we believe that the actual figure
for Shetland, Orkney and Iceland is less than 4%, but is observed in highly
varying frequencies depending on which part of Norway one samples. We hope
to pinpoint the origin of the Q's in the Northern Isles, and to once and for
all ascertain whether they have a Central Asian or Native American origin
(the latter being the least likely).

When FTDNA first typed their samples I don't thing they went beyond Q as
PxR1. Only in the most recent tests have they fine tuned things so we would
know whether a Q was really Q3. Everyone with a Q match in the FTDNA
database needs to have SNP tests to determine "what form" of Q they are. So
when things settle down I will be requesting SNP tests to exclude the
possibility that my participant is the Q3 typically found in the Inuit of
Greenland - one likely source of the haplotype. At this point I am left
guessing.

David.





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