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From: David Faux <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplotype "Q" in Shetland Islands, Vikings, and Picts
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <00d801c43889$aa8f2780$e6d89c04@DJW1ZQ21>


Hello List: Thanks James and all for your input. I suspect that the Nenets and Kets will be those we will want to look more closely at via haplotype comparisons. Unfortunately, most publications use 2 to 10 microsatellite markers and inconsistent SNP testing. I have 25 markers but cannot compare them directly to any particular group at the moment since specific haplotypes are so seldom included in academic papers - and good luck in getting hold of the raw data from the lead or other researcher. I can assure you that any work with my name on it will have high res marker sets arranged by haplogroup, and include surnames, and have a straightforward way for the public to access the information. Most of the published Y data studies out there are virtually useless for the purposes of answering the questions that interest me and I suspect many of you (e.g., in what way what does a Norwegian R1b haplotype differ from that of a Spanish R1b haplotype? - 9 markers are not enough !
to
address this question).

David.

"James V. Elliott" <> wrote:
David,

What about Bjarmaland, or Permia, as the source of Haplogroup Q among the
Norse? This region stretched from the White Sea to the Urals, and included
portions of Western Siberia. Both the Nenets and the Kets exhibit
Haplogroup Q, and their territory encompasses Western Siberia. The
Icelandic sagas record journeys to Bjarmaland, and the Vikings had been
visiting northern Russia at least since Othere recounted his tales of the
White Sea to the court of King Alfred.

James V. Elliott

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Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplotype "Q" in Shetland Islands, Vikings, and Picts


> James et al.:
>
> The Saami are an unlikely source for the Q haplotypes seen in the Northern
Isles. Studies such as that of Zerjal et al. (2001) found that N3 (common
among Finnish people) predominated, followed by haplogroups I, R1a, and 6%
R1b. Q has not been observed in this group - thus despite their apparent
Asiatic phenotype, there is no evidence that their Y-DNA is any different
from their closest neighbours in Eastern Europe and Western Asia.
>
> David.
>
> "James V. Elliott" wrote:
> All,
>
> Could the incidence of Haplogroup Q in Norway have its origin among the
> Saami? The Saami are of Siberian Asiatic origin. They exhibit other
> Asiatic haplogroups - Haplogroup N3, for example - so why not this one,
too?
>
> James V. Elliott
>
>
>
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