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From: "hamman" <>
Subject: Re: Differentiating I1c and I1a
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:20:31 -0500
Thanks guys, this is good info. Patrick, any comments on 389, is this a
marker tested in your Irish Clans project? Last year, you mentioned a high
number of "G's" were found in Northern Ireland, are most of these turning
out to be I1c's?
I recall you don't find much "I1c" in other areas of Ireland? Really
interesting how all this I1c is concentrated in Northern Ireland, but is not
Norse or Anglo-Saxon....Do we see much I1c among the Scots-Irish?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Guinness" <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Differentiating I1c and I1a
> At 3:17 pm +0100 1/6/04, gareth.henson wrote:
> >The Y-str database suggests a potential I1c "hotspot" at Berne,
> >where 6 out of 91 entries are 0-2 steps from the following haplotype:
> >DYS19 = 15, DYS389 = 14,31, DYS390 = 23, DYS391 = 10, DYS392 = 12, DYS393
> >14, DYS385 = 15,15.
> Certainly the Irish I1c samples have DYS385 14,15 or 15,15 or 15,16
> or 15,17, and "high" 393 *14 or *15. DYS388 is usually *13. Last
> year I thought it was group G.
> I1c doesn't seem to have a cultural / linguistic / area on which to
> hypothesise an invasion or ethnic group. It's been in the British
> Isles since before 1AD but some Norse or Anglo-Saxons must have
> brought it west as well. Useful for genealogy as it is rare.
> Patrick Guinness
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