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From: "Bernd Burgey" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Another English "Q"
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:41:44 -0300
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I think this will interrest you
Taken from Rootsi et al. paper: Radical renewing in Uralistics:
The final retreat of the glaciers about 19,000 years ago drew human
settlements northward, reaching the Arctic Ocean about 11,000-9000
years ago. According to linguist Kalevi Wiik's theory, our
Finno-Ugric ancestors settled an area from the Atlantic Ocean to the
Ural Mountains, both during the Last Maximum of the Last Ice Age and
The population of hunters and fishers living in the Periglacial
zone was small and spread out, as is took roughly ten square
kilometres of land to support one person. No large migrations
occurred within the populated area. Extensive population movement
took place only onto the unpopulated land that was freed from
beneath the glacier as it moved northward.
According to new scientific research, the ancestors of modern
population of the Baltic area arrived in this area at the end of the
Last Maximum of the Last Ice Age from the more southern regions of
Europe. They were Euripides by race and settled the territory of the
Baltic area after the glacier receded about 19,000-13,000 years ago.
How about this Greenland and perhaps Q connection?
Palaeo-Eskimo Peoples The term "Palaeo-Eskimo" (palaeo=old) is used
to refer to the peoples of the Arctic who lived before the Thule.
The Thule were the direct ancestors of the Inuit who now inhabit the
Canadian north. Palaeo-Eskimo peoples may be remotely related to the
Inuit, but they are not the direct ancestors of any modern Arctic
people. Palaeo-Eskimo culture appears to have had its origin in
Alaska a little more than 4,000 years ago. The first Palaeo-Eskimo
people to arrive in the Canadian high Arctic were probably the
Independence I people, named after Independence Fjord in northeast
Greenland where their artifacts were first described.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Another English "Q"
> I wish I could read Norwegian better, but I am looking at my
> "Norsk historisk atlas", Figure 2, Skandinavia about 8000 B.C.
> that the remaining ice cap over the Scandinavian peninsula left
the west and
> north coasts free of the ice all the way around to present day
> Arctic Sea coast. Figure 6 shows a bunch of archaelogical sites
up at Nord
> Cap of Norway (close to present-day border with Russia) which were
> steinalder" which I believe means "old stone
> Could not some of the earliest settlers of Norway as the Ice Cap
> have come DOWN the coast of Norway from the north , and
originally from the
> east and the area where peoples with significant Q are? These
> immigrants need not have been pure Q but perhaps tribes with
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Faux" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Another English "Q"
> > Doug et al.: Only Agnar Helgason's article on Iceland - and
> don't even recognize the haplotypes as Q probably because they did
> suspect it and did not test for it - just lumped the haplotypes
> most likely category.
> > All the other information I have is from private databases from
> Orkney, Shetland (other than my own), and Iceland. Perhaps the
> diagnostic marker is DYS385a/b - for which very high values are
seen in all
> Q. I am hoping that a couple more Shetland Q turn up in the
> are still in the mail or at the lab.
> > Clearly we want to be able to pinpoint the area(s) in Norway
> to have spawned these Viking signatures. Whether they originated
> east (Asia) or the west (North America) is not entirely clear at
> but if it is the former, where are the Q in neighbouring counties
> Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc.? We should be able to spot a
> marking the migration unless we have an extreme case where an
> unit moved to the coastal areas of Norway, and could go no
> remained in a few isolated fjords until the Norse expansion circa
> which time they were likely indistinguishable from their R1a etc.
> > David.
> > Doug McDonald <> wrote:
> > Are there published reports on Q in Scandinavia and
> > northern Scotland? If not, can you fill us in?
> > Doug McDonald
> > Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA
> > www.davidkfaux.org
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