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From: "DONALD MILLIGAN" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:41:22 -0700


Ken

Thanks for leading me to the simple facts on this! Some times, it takes me
longer to get the message! :)



Don Milligan
3003 South 253rd Street
Kent, WA 98032
253 941-0514






>From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
>Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:12:28 -0600
>
>Don, We know that these repeat numbers sometimes mutate --- even the
>"slow"
>mutators. Whether the "14" can be connected to a particular localized tribe
>somewhere is another thing, or it can just be an individual mutation in the
>history of your line.
>
>Ken
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Milligan" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
>
>
> > FTDNA hinted at R1b & you are confirming. They said nothing about the
>"14"
> > at DYS 19. What might explain the unusualness of the "14"? Thanks Very
> > much Don M
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
> >
> >
> > > Looks to me like a R1b with the slightly unusual "14" at DYS19. Does
>this
> > > differ from what FTDNA told you?
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "DONALD MILLIGAN" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:19 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Ken & others who may have some comments. In response to Ken's
> > > suggestion,
> > > > I'm sending my signature from FTDNA for review & comment. Thank You
> > > >
> > > > Earliest
> > > > ancestor traced is "Malgon" found in 1210 documentin Nithsdale,
> > Scotland
> > > in
> > > > a community of Brythonic-speakers & Gaelic-speakers. Nithsdale is
>part
> > of
> > > > Dumfriesshire which is east of Galloway. The Britons of Nithsdale
>are
> > > > connected to the Britons of Strathclyde. Macrath Ap Molegan, son of
> > > Malgon,
> > > > bears a Gaelic first name & a Brythonic (Welsh) surname. "Ap" is
>the
> > > > Brythonic equiv. of "Mac" from what I understand.
> > > >
> > > > 1. DYSS 393 = 13
> > > >
> > > > 2. DYS 390 = 25
> > > >
> > > > 3. DYS 19* = 19 = 14
> > > >
> > > > 4. DYS 391 = 11
> > > >
> > > > 5. DYS 385a = 11
> > > >
> > > > 6. DYS 385b = 13
> > > >
> > > > 7. DYS 426 = 12
> > > >
> > > > 8. DYS 388 = 12
> > > >
> > > > 9. DYS 439 = 12
> > > >
> > > > 10. DYS 389-1 = 13
> > > >
> > > > 11. DYS 392 = 14
> > > >
> > > > 12. DYS 389-2 = 29
> > > >
> > > > 13. DYS 458 = 17
> > > >
> > > > 14. DYS 459a = 9
> > > >
> > > > 15. DYS 459b = 10
> > > >
> > > > 16. DYS 455 = 11
> > > >
> > > > 17. DYS 454 = 11
> > > >
> > > > 18. DYS 447 = 25
> > > >
> > > > 19. DYS 437 = 15
> > > >
> > > > 20. DYS 448 = 18
> > > >
> > > > 21. DYS 449 = 30
> > > >
> > > > 22. DYS 464a = 15
> > > >
> > > > 23. DYS 464b = 16
> > > >
> > > > 24. DYS 464c = 17
> > > >
> > > > 25. DYS464d = 17
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don Milligan
> > > > 3003 South 253rd Street
> > > > Kent, WA 98032
> > > > 253 941-0514
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> > > > >Reply-To:
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: [DNA] Calling all Highland Scot I1a!
> > > > >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:41:14 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >My recent look at DYS390 repeat values for I1a around Europe (see
> > recent
> > > > >posting) seems to show that Anglo-Saxons and Danes are rich in "22"
> > > repeats
> > > > >(relative to "23") while Norwegians who are likely to be
>descendants
>of
> > > > >Norse Vikings who settled coastal Scotland and the nearby Isles are
> > rich
> > > in
> > > > >"23" repeats (relative to "22").
> > > > >
> > > > >If enough of you studying Highland Scot surnames could check your
> > > > >statistics of the I1a who show up (they may be too rare), we might
>be
> > > able
> > > > >to check this apparent trend. I hasten to point out that Lowland
>Scot
> > > > >surnames will probably not confirm this. They could very well have
>I1a
> > > > >from Anglo-Saxon and Danelaw I1a people who moved up into the
>lowlands.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ken
> > > > >
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