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From: David Faux <>
Subject: Re: R1b Across Europe
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:56:50 -0700 (PDT)
I agree fully with everything you say below. The rationale for everything I did was to obtain a reasonable sample size from a relatively circumscribed area. It is entirely inadequate, and merely preliminary. We may find, however, that no matter how we fine tune the thing, my conclusions will still remain intact - as un-nerving as that thought may be.
hamman <> wrote:
Thank you for your efforts. I just have a few questions and comments as
1) I presume these "n values" are all unique "ancestral haplotypes",
i.e., they don't include multiple values per family?
2) How many of the 27 Germanic Haplotypes were from Holland?
3) Can you tell me why you included Holland as "Germanic"? I am
wondering if it might be more appropriate to include the Dutch along with
the Scandinavians and Northern Germans, maybe as a "Northern Germanic"
4) I'll bet that the majority of the people in Ysearch who claimed to
be of German paternal descent were Americans whose surname arrived prior to
the Revolutionary War. Most of these folks were from south of the Main
river (e.g., south of Koblenz and Frankfurt), sort of the "Mason-Dixon" line
of Germany, closer to the original homelands of the Celtic people who now
dominate Ireland. If so, wouldn't it be better to lump these people
together with the Swiss, Alsatians, and possibly Austrians, rather than the
Dutch? I've seen a number of examples now where R1b's from South Germany
match Irish R1b's closer than any other ethnic group (lots of DYS390=24, not
23). Do we need a "Southern Germanic" category?
5) I'll look forward to seeing what happens to your modals after a few
minor adjustments and especially after we accumulate more data in the coming
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Faux"
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: R1b Across Europe
> Good day from LA:
> I spent part of last weekend extracting data from Ysearch. My goal was to
see if there was a difference between R1b in Spain or Ireland and that
further east in say Poland.
> There were insufficient numbers to include Scandanavia (my prime area of
interest) and Spain. In addition there were not enough 37 marker haplotypes
uploaded to Ysearch so I had to content myself with using 25 markers.
> My sample included 55 whose ancestor in the male line were from Ireland,
42 from Scotland, 27 Germanic (Germany, Switzerland and Holland), and 13
Eastern European (Poland, Russia, Hungary).
> The results of my search are presented in tablular form at:
> www.davidkfaux.org/EURODNAHaplo.htm . It appears that the conclusions are
quite obvious - but you can see for yourself.
> Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA
Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA
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