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From: "Roberta J. Estes" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Dodson Group Issue
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:12:23 -0400
Thank you so much for replying. It is very difficult for those of us
who are not professionals in this field to deflect this kind of
scattergun criticism, especially from someone who is allegedly a
professional in the field. I have sent this to the Dodson administrator
and hope he will post it and it will help his project.
I hope you understand that I was only asking for commentary, not in any
way endorsing what he said.
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
From: Max Blankfeld [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Dodson Group Issue
At 09:35 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote:
>I am posting a lengthy exchange that occurred on the Dodson list about
>the DNA project. Basicly their project is relatively new. Mary, asked
>a question. Mic an administrator from another "older" group posted the
>typical security discussion in response to an inquiry. Then Bud
>Dodson, a professional in the field posted a reply that basicly negates
>everything we say. I am posting this in hopes that it will generate
>discussion. I am concerned about the things that Bud mentions, and if
>he is fundamentally corrent, then we have been misinforming people. I
>hope that Bennett or someone from FTDNA will reply as well, as this
>kind of information certainly does nothing to promote DNA testing for
>genealogical purposes. Roberta Estes
Dear Roberta and List,
Mic Barnette is correct in what he said.
Bud Dodson addresses two issues: a) he questions if DNA testing can
provide us the answers we are looking for, and b) he asserts that the
DNA can be misused.
To the first question: there are many papers written by scientists not
less qualified than Bud Dodson that show what the Y-DNA and the mtDNA
can do in regard to population genetics. In addition to that, by now, we
have hundreds, if not thousands of empirical situations that can also
prove what the Y-DNA can do for genealogical purposes. Therefore, on one
hand we have facts, while on the other hand we have Bud Dodson's "I
don't think it will give you what you want" - not quite a scientific
assertion and certainly not a statement that has a fundament at all.
Molecular Biology is a wide science with several branches of
specialization. When I studied Aeronautical Engineering, my focus was in
rocket propellants. Even though I also dealt with Thermodynamics and
other subjects, I wouldn't feel that I could categorically defend an
assumption in a field that I did not specialize. Therefore, with all due
respect to Bud's point of view, we still want to line up with the work
of Drs. Mi! chael Hammer, Bruce Walsh, Underhill, Cavalli-Sforza, to
name just a few. Since we have several Dodsons that have tested with us,
perhaps it would be worth for Bud to have his Y-DNA tested against
someone he knows he is related to, and then compare all results and see
if he would change his mind based on his own results. In short, Roberta,
those tests are based on good and proven science and nobody is being
misinformed. Misinforming is telling people "don't do it because "I
don't think" it will give you what you want".
To the second question: indeed DNA can be misused. Like anything else in
life. Did I ever make an investment in a company that was managed by
crooks and I lost my money? I sure did. Did I ever employ someone that
misused the company resources? I sure did. OK, those are all material
and replaceable issues. But what about...did a doctor ever gave a
patient a wrong diagnostic? Did anyone ever died from a medical
malpractice? There are many cases. I can go on and on with this list...
The bottom line is that we, at Family Tree DNA, (as I am also sure is
the case with other companies), take every precaution to protect our
customer's privacy. Specifically in our case, the lab can do nothing
with the DNA they store, not even research, because those are not
associated to a specific person, and therefore, there are no personal
parameters to be associated with.
I would like to close my comments with a general statement. Our
philosophy in business, shared by Bennett and myself, is very well
reflected in the following Ted Roosevelt's quotation, while maintaining
the highest levels of ethics (which we are sure was an implicit part of
his statement) : "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who
points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could
have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the
arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives
valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is
no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great
enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause;
who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring
greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid
souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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