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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Origins of R1a, Q and K in Scandanavia - Part 2
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:15:29 -0600
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One of the challenges for your thesis may be the numbers. R1a makes up a
rather significant fraction of Norse Y-DNA. And you are apparently
suggesting that a big part of that R1a was brought to Sweden/Norway rather
late in time --- perhaps around 500 A.D.? If by that late date
Sweden/Norway had a population of a few hundred thousand, it seems you are
talking about a sizeable horde of R1a folks returning or arriving from
various places far to the east in order to so strongly affect the Norse gene
pool. Are you prepared to think in terms of such a large flux of
immigrants? Maybe one can invoke a certain amount of the R1a immigrant
males being an elite ruling class on arrival and who were then somewhat
prolific in their numbers of offspring?

There is another angle worth checking out --- the runic script of
Norway/Sweden/Denmark. It apparently was brought into that area about this
same time. There has been lots of debate who brought it in and from where,
but it is thought to be an import and not invented in situ?

What route do you believe these late-arriving R1a folks took? Via Jutland,
via the Danish Islands further to the east into SW Sweden, by fleets of
boats directly across the Baltic or via the north shore of the Baltic land
route?

Ken
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From: "David Faux" <>
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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: [DNA] Origins of R1a, Q and K in Scandanavia - Part 2


> (Continued from Part 1)
>
> Meanwhile in the 1st Century AD a group of Osterogoths moved from Sweden
to Poland and made a relentless march south (all amply shown by the
archaeological record) to reach the Don River which empties into the Black
Sea via the Sea of Azov. By 362 AD there were three groups of people in the
region, the Osterogoths between the Danube and the Don, and the Alani (Ases)
east of the Don down to the Caucasus Mountains, and the recently arrived
Huns north of the Alans also on the east side of the Don. The Huns and
Alans then absorbed the Osterogoths pushing the latter's western cousins
across the Danube poised in turn to become the barbarians at the gates of
Rome. Meanwhile those in the area of the Black Sea had become a melange and
out of this "chaos" emerged a Hunnish leader known as Uldin. He is the
first documented Hun or Alani "king" and he won many battles, and there are
stories of how he used a severed head for warning the people at Adrianople
of what was to come. He at!
> tacked
> Roman territories, achieved great notariety, but disappeared from the
historical record in 408 when the combined Germanic and Hunnish peoples
moved north.
>


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