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Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:39:02 +0000


George, you may be right on the money with your Sarmatian hypothesis.
The group you noted were the Western Sarmatians or Iazyges. The Sarmatian (Scythian) territory extended from the homeland in Mongolia and the Altai across the Siberian steepes to the Black Sea and west to the Danube River. In all probability this spliter group (Iazyges) was by the 2nd Century AD quite mixed (having absorbed other Scythians and peoples from the Transcaucasus area, and likely included substantial Iranian - Persian elements). The aboriginal Sarmatian haplogroups from east of the Urals are R1a, Q, K, J, C, and N. I believe the C did not arrive until the incursions of Genghis Khan. The J would have come via the Altai or via those known today as Kurds, Armenians, Georgians, Iranians and others in the Khuban area west of the Caspian Sea.
If you send me your string of DYS numbers, I can check my private databases for all of the above peoples and see if there is a close match, and then post the findings so others may learn about some possible origins of J other than the usually quoted Neolithic farmer hypothesis (which may be entirely erroneous in relation to Great Britain. Regretfully I cannot do this for everyone who is J (obviously I would be swamped and only get 5 hours sleep a night at best), but will work on encouraging those who own these databases to publish them.
David.

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Dr. David K. Faux
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> Cindy,
>
> I have been having fun researching my own y-DNA Haplogroup J in England and
> thought that I would relate some of my findings. My Haynes ancestors appear
> in various Anglican parish registers in the Central Midlands of England
> dating back to 1730 and some variants of that the surname appear in the
> earliest parish I've studied as far back as 1550. So my people were there
> for a good while. When I received my results from FTDNA my closest matches
> were in the Ukraine, Poland, and the Muslim Kurds of Iraq [YHRD].
> Definitely a surprise!
>
> Here's one possible explanation. There were large Roman settlements at
> Southwell and Uttoxeter [both in the Central Midlands] and according to
> Capelli these areas presently show J in the fairly large percentages for
> England [6% and 4% respectively]. Just maybe my Hg J came with the
> Romans. But who were the Roman soldiers. They were mostly conscripts from
> defeated armies. Well in 184 AD Marcus Aurelius sent 5500 Sarmatian
> cavalrymen to England [see the current movie King Arthur for a twist on
> this] to help expand and defend the Empire. This is well documented.
> Sarmatia was once the area now bordered by the Vistula River [Poland], the
> Caspian Sea, the steppes of the Ukraine, Georgia, and possibly NE Turkey and
> Iran. Just where my closest matches appear. Am I saying that my J came
> with these Sarmatians? Not necessarily, but its fun to theorize.
>
> George

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