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From: "George Haynes" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:55:14 -0400
Let's throw a little more wood on David's fire.
Patrick Guiness' recent study of y-DNA haplogroups in Ireland has revealed
no [zero] Hg J among the Gaelic-era surnames. Apparently the Neolithic
farmers were the earliest settlers of both Ireland and England. Guiness
surmises that the low level of J in England would be then best "linked to
the Roman era [43-410 AD, or merchants at any time, or the expansion north
of the Alps by diaspera Jews." He's saying that since the Romans made
little if any inroads into Ireland, the Hg J which came with them never made
When looking at the occurrence of Hg J in England [see Capelli's A Y
Chromosome Census of the British Isles], it appears that Hg J is somewhat
clustered to specific areas. Even after all this time, many of the clusters
appear around areas like Pitlochry [7%] and Faversham [5%] and loosely
correspond to earlier locations of Roman settlements.
My closest J matches are not in Italy, they are from the areas once
populated by the Sarmatians. Obviously this is not a simple problem and
there are other plausible explanations for my Hg J ending up in the Central
Midlands, but David's hypothesis is well worth considering.