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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
Sorry, My Yahoo mail system is only sporadically
sending me my mail from the list, so I missed your
I can't read the scrambled numbers, but don't see a
Sarmatian connection here, George. The Kurds and
Turks live in the "homeland" of J2 - the northern
Levant. It was from the Neolithic inhabitants of the
region - of whom the present day Turks and Kurds are a
good reflection- that J2 arose and then moved out of
the region - slowly progressing to Europe. I will be
reading Underhill's paper this evening, which follows
the archaeological trail left my these migrations.
I believe that Samartian was further north, in an area
right above Georgia, around the Caspian Sea, where the
Khazarian Empire used to be. Clearly some J2 would
have migrated up into this region (there is plenty of
J2 in Armenia and Georgia), but I would think it is
undifferentiated from that appearing in Turkish and
the Kurdish populations. Which brings us back to the
question: How would one differentiate so-called
Samartian J2 from that of the Neolithic Farmers?
--- George Haynes <> wrote:
> Hi Ellen,
> If you can check the archives, please look at my
> second post in this subject
> heading as I listed my closest matches and gave a
> geographical description
> of my concept of ancient Sarmatia [which David says
> is actually Western
> Sarmatia]. In a second thread entitled "my
> possible Sarmatian yDNA" I
> attempted to compare my haplotype to a series of
> close matches including the
> Ukraine, Poland, Iraq, and Turkey. Unfortunately my
> email program trashed
> the columns making it appear incomprehensible.
> As for the ySNP for a subclade, that is an excellent
> idea. FTDNA at the
> present time does not offer this testing. About all
> they will do is tell me
> that I have the p12f2 deletion. Bennett has related
> that he plans on
> offering a deep ancestry ySNP in the foreseeable
> future. If I want to give
> it a go now I guess I would have to go with Trace
> Genetics. I'm curious if
> anyone on the list has had any success with Trace's
> Fine Resolution ySNP
> Just to let you know I really appreciate all you
> posts to the list as they
> are very educational and very well thought out.
> > Hi George:
> > When you say your J2 matches areas from ancient
> > Samartia, what area are you referring to? What
> > the percentages of J2 from this region? (I'm
> > your J2 when you say your "J").
> > And your J2 has no other matches - none in Turkey?
> > None in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon? None with Jews?
> > in other areas of Europe?
> > Have you been SNP tested? Do you know which J2
> > sub-clad you fall into? This seems important
> > days, with the differing distribution of various
> > sub-clades throughout Europe, the Middle EAst and
> > Africa.
> > Ellen Coffman
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