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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b - Clusters and Subclades
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:32 -0600
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See my R1b charts and map at http://www.worldfamilies.net

DYS 390, 391 = 23, 11 represents a higher percentage of R1b in Germanic
continental areas, reaching its peak percentage in NW Europe and
Netherlands. But Norway and Sweden R1b returned to the 24, 11 dominance of
Iberia and France. 24, 10 was a harder motif to relate to geography on the
continent, with the exception that one could see that its percentage did not
soar like 24, 11 as one went back toward Iberia. The YHRD database is very
weak in its coverage of British Isles, so I think your observation about 24,
10 being common in Scotland is interesting and significant. A couple months
ago I remember a bunch of people with ancestry in Scotland complaining to me
that their 24, 10 seemed dominant and why wasn't I picking that up? Ask
YHRD why they avoid the British Isles?

I have wondered on a number of occasions why Norway and Sweden more match
the Franco-Iberian R1b rather than Germanic? One idea is that the Atlantic
R1b moved up there early and first, before a separate Germany-centered R1b
spread from its place of origin.

I am picking up some cluster structure in R1b involving some of the new
Sorenson database markers not included in YHRD data, but the clustering is
weak so I can't yet quote the results. But stay tuned.

Ken
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Subject: [DNA] R1b - Clusters and Subclades


> Ken et al.:
>
> I went bleary eyed last night trying to see patterns in R1b (P25) with the
simple premise - there should be clear differences between Scottish Highland
and Norwegian profiles.


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