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From: "gordon hutton" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b - Clusters and Subclades
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:25:32 +0100
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Ken
I would like remark on the point you made about 390 and 391 being dominant
in scotland and point being raised about this In the Hutton group we have 4
matching 24 /10 and the Ealiest recorded residence of Huttons is
in Cumbria and this area was part of Scotland fron about 900 to 1200 ad of
and on with an interchange of population
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b - Clusters and Subclades


> See my R1b charts and map at http://www.worldfamilies.net
>
> DYS 390, 391 = 23, 11 represents a higher percentage of R1b in Germanic
> continental areas, reaching its peak percentage in NW Europe and
> Netherlands. But Norway and Sweden R1b returned to the 24, 11 dominance
of
> Iberia and France. 24, 10 was a harder motif to relate to geography on
the
> continent, with the exception that one could see that its percentage did
not
> soar like 24, 11 as one went back toward Iberia. The YHRD database is
very
> weak in its coverage of British Isles, so I think your observation about
24,
> 10 being common in Scotland is interesting and significant. A couple
months
> ago I remember a bunch of people with ancestry in Scotland complaining to
me
> that their 24, 10 seemed dominant and why wasn't I picking that up? Ask
> YHRD why they avoid the British Isles?
>
> I have wondered on a number of occasions why Norway and Sweden more match
> the Franco-Iberian R1b rather than Germanic? One idea is that the
Atlantic
> R1b moved up there early and first, before a separate Germany-centered
R1b
> spread from its place of origin.
>
> I am picking up some cluster structure in R1b involving some of the new
> Sorenson database markers not included in YHRD data, but the clustering is
> weak so I can't yet quote the results. But stay tuned.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:11 AM
> Subject: [DNA] R1b - Clusters and Subclades
>
>
> > Ken et al.:
> >
> > I went bleary eyed last night trying to see patterns in R1b (P25) with
the
> simple premise - there should be clear differences between Scottish
Highland
> and Norwegian profiles.
>
>
>
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