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Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS values and Poland
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:52:01 +0000


Ken:

In my Shetland study, there are no R1b individuals with Scottish surnames who have the 23,11 motif you descibe. However, among those with Aboriginal Shetland surnames, about half have this "Germanic" pattern. Now the majority of those with "son" names in Shetland are going to be of Norse origin, would I be safe in making an attribution of (German/Scanda) - the brackets indicating a degree of probabilistic uncertainty - as an interpretation of their DNA signature? I realize that with the 24,10 types, at least for now, it is impossible to say anything definitive. Thanks.

David.


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> Lublin was a crossroads city and had populations of people from more R1b
> parts of Europe in residence. For awhile it even became part of the
> Austrian empire. And there had been large blocks of German/Austrian
> colonists and their descendants throughout Eastern Europe up until the end
> of World War II. So your likely R1b could indicate a variety of possible
> continental ethnicities. The 23, 11 at DYS 390, 391 is the Germanic variety
> of R1b. And then lastly, genetic genealogy is a probabilistic thing; there
> are rarely any definitive statements about origins of genes in Europe, just
> probabilities among the alternatives with different degrees of certitude in
> different cases. Within Europe, itself, the area which is about as
> monolithic as I have come across is extreme western Ireland, Connaught
> province I believe, where an Atlantic variety of R1b makes up more than 95
> percent of the haplotypes.
>

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