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From: "Bryan's Junk Mail" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS values and Poland
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:30:01 +0100
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ARE YOU NOT AWARE THAT WHAT WE CALL THE GAELIC PEOPLE of Ireland, AND ALSO
PARTS OF Scotland, ORIGINATED from Northern Iberia.....hence the Dark Hair
and olive skins of many Irish, and Scots..when they drove out the Scotia
Tribe.......though of course some descended from the Shipwrecked Sailors of
the Spanish Armada of 1588, as they tried to get back home going around
Northern Britain and Ireland.....after they were defeated by superior
English Naval Tactics, and THE BAD WEATHER !!

Bryan the Viking
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Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS values and Poland


> Ken:
>
> It appears that Shetland was settled via Norway from only a restricted
number of areas. I need to identify these (e.g., Bergen and Trondheim) and
look at percentages in the YHRD for these selected areas (realizing that
sample size could be a problem). Thanks.
>
> David.
>
>
> --
> Dr. David K. Faux
> P.O. Box 192
> Seal Beach, CA 90630
>
>
> www.davidkfaux.org
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > David, That is a good question and I'll let you judge for yourself. As I
> > indicated in my R1b site, the Atlantic variety of R1b makes a percentage
> > comeback in Norway and Sweden. In my mind it suggests that R1b folks
went
> > up there in more than one wave of migration --- one from Franco-Iberia
and
> > another from Germany. In Anglo-Saxony the percentages of R1b in the two
> > varieties are 24/11 = 34%, 23/11 = 35% while the average for the entire
YHRD
> > database is 2 to 1 Atlantic variety. In Norway and Sweden the
percentages
> > are 24/11 = 44% and 23/11 = 26%
> >
> > In Iberia it is 24/11 = 64% and 23/11 = 10%. I wish YHRD had some decent
> > numbers for Ireland, highland Scotland, etc., but they don't. I suspect
the
> > percentages would be more like Iberia, but there is growing anecdotal
> > evidence that in Scotland, at least, there is an unusual amount of
different
> > R1b present --- 24, 10 and 23, 10.
> >
> > Ken
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS values and Poland
> >
> >
> > > Ken:
> > >
> > > In my Shetland study, there are no R1b individuals with Scottish
surnames
> > who have the 23,11 motif you descibe. However, among those with
Aboriginal
> > Shetland surnames, about half have this "Germanic" pattern. Now the
> > majority of those with "son" names in Shetland are going to be of Norse
> > origin, would I be safe in making an attribution of (German/Scanda) -
the
> > brackets indicating a degree of probabilistic uncertainty - as an
> > interpretation of their DNA signature? I realize that with the 24,10
types,
> > at least for now, it is impossible to say anything definitive. Thanks.
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. David K. Faux
> > > P.O. Box 192
> > > Seal Beach, CA 90630
> > >
> > >
> > > www.davidkfaux.org
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >
> > > > Lublin was a crossroads city and had populations of people from more
R1b
> > > > parts of Europe in residence. For awhile it even became part of the
> > > > Austrian empire. And there had been large blocks of German/Austrian
> > > > colonists and their descendants throughout Eastern Europe up until
the
> > end
> > > > of World War II. So your likely R1b could indicate a variety of
possible
> > > > continental ethnicities. The 23, 11 at DYS 390, 391 is the Germanic
> > variety
> > > > of R1b. And then lastly, genetic genealogy is a probabilistic thing;
> > there
> > > > are rarely any definitive statements about origins of genes in
Europe,
> > just
> > > > probabilities among the alternatives with different degrees of
certitude
> > in
> > > > different cases. Within Europe, itself, the area which is about as
> > > > monolithic as I have come across is extreme western Ireland,
Connaught
> > > > province I believe, where an Atlantic variety of R1b makes up more
than
> > 95
> > > > percent of the haplotypes.
> > > >
> > >
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