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From: "Nancy Grossman" <>
Subject: R1* Haplotype
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 03:03:33 +0200


I started writing the below in response to Ken Nordtvedt's posting several
days ago, and decided to send it after reading the recent posting by Dennis
Garvey.

My father most likely belongs to the Y DNA R1* Haplogroup. He is an
Ashkenazi Jew with recent ethnic origins from Lithuania. One of his 12/12 Y
DNA matches is an Ashkenazi Jew with recent ethnic origins from Munich,
Germany. The person who matched my father had FTDNA do an SNP test and it
was found that he belongs to the R1* Haplogroup. At least half and possibly
all of the other 12/12 matches of my father's were Ashkenazi Jews. They
were from Hungary, Poland, Romania, and the Ukraine.

My father also has matches in the YSTR (YHRD) database from Budapest,
Hungary and Östergötland/Jönköping, Sweden. (I just checked again and there
is a new match from Central Anatolia, Turkey.)

Here is the Haplotype in case anyone is interested:

393-----12
390-----24
19------14
391-----10
385a----11
385b----15
426-----12
388-----12
439-----12
389-1---13
392-----14
389-2---28

> Taken at its face value, would not the P*(xR1a,b) include R* and R1*? We
> have never heard, however, that there is any appreciable R* or R1* in
> Europe.

I have a feeling one may find more R1*'s in places like Turkey, Georgia,
Iran and among the Kurds, etc.. (And as Dennis suggested, there may be more
in Europe than we are currently aware of.)

In response to Dennis Garvey's post, my father had no matches under one step
mutations, but his two step mutation matches were all classified as R1b. I
am very interested to learn more about the R* and R1* haplogroups. Does
anyone in Haplogroups R1a or R1b have a 12 instead of a 13 at allele 393?

Nancy Grossman Gollner


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