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From: "Brian D. Hamman" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Were the I1a people Brown Eyed?
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:09:21 -0500
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Ellen,
I disagree that Y-DNA haplogroups are irrelevant to autosomal
characteristics. Since I1a is found in much higher percentages in Sweden
and Norway than in any other country on earth, it follows that the people
living there today will likely have a significantly higher percentage of the
autosomal gene characteristics *found in the original I1a settlers*. No
one is saying that "all Irish" have dark hair or "all Swedes are blonde".
What we are asking is why are blonde hair and blue eyes so prevalent among
the Nordic people who also have an unusually high percentage of I1a
Y-chromosomes?
Brian Hamman



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From: "ellen Levy" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Were the I1a people Brown Eyed?


> I'm most definitely with David on this one. What is
> the importance of this discussion, other than sharing
> personal stories regarding our eye colors? Ken is
> right on point - if there is evidence that certain
> haplogroups within large population genetics exhibit
> certain features - eye color, hair color - great,
> let's hear the scientific evidence.
>
> As far as I can tell, most of the "Caucasian"
> haplogroups: I, Rlb, R1a, G, J, E3b, etc - have a mix
> of coloration ranging from light Blue to dark brown.
> Some haplogroups may have one of more color type than
> another, but you won't find a single group that has
> exclusively or almost exclusively a single type of
> coloration. Overgeneralizations such as "the Irish
> are dark-haired" are just that - overgeneralizations.
> I've been to Ireland - plenty of variation of
> coloration there, including plenty of of blonds &
> redheads, in addition to black and brown haired
> individuals.
>
> And let's remember David's reminder to us: this is not
> really about Y chromosome haplogroup evidence. This
> is about autosomal results. It's fairly irrelevant to
> our discussions on haplogroups (male or female).
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
>
>
> --- wrote:
>
> > Listers:
> >
> > Y chromosome SNPs, eye color and eye shape etc.are
> > independent. The phenotype of an R1a males from the
> > Altai Mountains is dark eyes and epicanthic fold;
> > the phenotype of an R1a male from Poland is blue
> > eyes and no epicanthic fold - some exceptions
> > granted. No genes on the Y chromosome have anything
> > whatsoever to do with any feature of the eyes.
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. David K. Faux
> > P.O. Box 192
> > Seal Beach, CA 90630
> >
> >
> > www.davidkfaux.org
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > Ken ..
> > >
> > > I trust those with in-depth knowledge will quickly
> > hop on this topic. My
> > > father, his father & mother were brown eyed - I'm
> > I1a1 & have hazel eyes. My
> > > mtDNA
> > > is "V" & my mother & parents had blue/grey eyes.
> > (There are a lot of "V"
> > > Saami). My paternal gggrandfather had pale blue
> > eyes.
> > >
> > > I have 2 brothers who have blue eyes, and a 3rd
> > brother who has hazel eyes,
> > > color almost identical to mine.
> > >
> > > I'm very interested in reading about possible
> > answers to your question(s).
> > >
> > > MIke ...
> > > ================================================
> > >
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > Are blue eye genes linked to the genes which
> > lighten the skin color of
> > > people who live in northern climes? The light skin
> > color is supposed to be a
> > > survival advantage to people who live in less
> > sunlight and need to absorb as
> > > much
> > > vitamin D as possible from what there is. And
> > maybe the transition to light
> > > skin and blue eyes (if they are linked) happens
> > "fast"? But why then are the
> > > tribes which inhabit northern Siberia and Arctic
> > regions of America still with
> > > brown eyes? How about the Mongols? Why do they
> > still have brown eyes? And the
> > > Turkic tribes which originated in regions
> > relatively north in Central Asia
> > > seem to have brown eyes? What is the most common
> > color of Saami eyes? I think
> > > it's brown.
> >
> >
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