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From: "gareth.henson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: 23/11 North Sea
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:34:04 +0100
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Ken & List

have just been trying some searches out with the new YHRD markers (438 &
439) and within R1b (DYS392=13) there SEEMS to be a correlation between
DYS390 =23 and DYS439=11 (modal is 12).
DYS439=11 is found in approx 20% of full AMH (24/11) but closer to 30% in
23/11 (and higher still for 23/10).
DYS439=13 seems to be slightly rarer in 23/11 than in 24/11.
A few quick searches in ysearch seemed to confirm these %ages. I haven't
tried ybase yet.

Is this noticeable in the results of the 23/11 group? Are there any
geographic trends?

Gareth


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: David, suggest you might read this


> Names are just names, but "Norsk" seems a misleading name for 23/11 R1b.
To
> many "norsk" means Norwegian. 23/11 R1b peaks in its percent of R1b
> population in Netherlands, NW Germany, Denmark area. Norway actually
moves
> back somewhat to have more of the "Atlantic" 24/11 variety of R1b. Number
> refer to repeats at DYS 390 and 391, respectively.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: [DNA] Re: David, suggest you might read this
>
>
> > >DYS 390 = 23, DYS 391=11 and DYS 392=13. The 23/11 is the Norsk
> signature, and 13 at DYS 392 is THE significant marker for all R1bs.<
> >
> > Would you think 22/11/13 is a variation of the Norsk signature? These
is
> the Morehouse signature--family believed to originate in Yorkshire.
> >
> > Dave Morehouse


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