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From: Jeffrey Stewart <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Question on Test Results Numbers..E3b&R1b
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:04:42 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <20041129212215.50649.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com>


hi ellen,
i whisper in hopes of eluding the many rattling sabers out there. exactly, that is exactly what i attempted to implicate; serve the masses.
i think that if a person were recruited by a surname group, and shows up as a DE or as you mentioned G; that they are not being served. i myself was a 'walk-on' so i have no complaint, but i would be truly disappointed to have been recruited, spent my money, and watched while the remainder of the group appeared to be 'getting somewhere'.
what i find extremely intriguing, is that only DE require YAP to appear. i thought we were going to get an answer today, Thanks Ann for the excellent explanation of the YAP process.
again in complete agreement with your earlier statement, "The posters to this list are well-educated about most of the haplogroups...." but where is the curiosity?
something must have happened that was both cataclysmic and localized, to have created two haplogroups that are so unique that this special process is required to isolate them.
what about sharing? there are folks out there, not me, but other folks; some of them surname project admins. that would truly benefit from the sharing of even limited information.
it's clear to me that; 1) due to special processing, research of the DE haplogroups are going to bring up the rear, and; 2) due to population size, about 4% of ybase database and less of ysearch, that the urgency to examine these HGs isn't there. with this in mind, it is all the more important that what information we do have is shared.
in a post earlier this year you stated that posters should cite their reference material when interjecting a point. once again i agree, hopefully all the saber rattling educed by this series of posts will bring about more sharing of information and reference materials.
Thanks for your reply
Jeffrey Stewart




ellen Levy <> wrote:
Hi Jeff:

Oh my - breathless anticipation!! This List is
getting more interesting every day!

I think I have to rely on Ken's arguments that there
are many on the List focused on particular haplogroups
because their own DNA results (and those of a majority
of those of European descent) reflect these particular
groups. However, I think there is general interest on
the List in most of the haplogroups, including their
origins and distributions, even if one chooses to
focus their study on one particular haplogroup.

Some of the problem is there haven't been a lot of
focused studies on some of the haplogroups. Just look
at poor, forgotten Y haplogroup G, for instance. Some
of the haplogroups are already being broken down into
sub-clades (haplogroup J, for instance) while others
are still in the initial stages of being investigated
by researchers. So some of the questions posters have
regarding certain haplogroups simply can't be
addressed based on our present state of knowledge. No
doubt, this will change in the near future.

In the meanwhile, I think there are a number of people
on the List who would be willing (though are clearly
not obligated) to try to answer specific questions
regarding E3b. So far, there's been complaints
regarding lack of general discussions on this
particular haplogroup, but no real questions.

Ellen Coffman

--- Jeffrey Stewart wrote:

> Ellen,
> I have followed this list for several months, and
> there is very little chatter about any HGs exempt
> R1a or R1b. This is understandable since E3b makes
> up around 2% of FTDNA database, however I have read
> posts from confused surname administrators seeking
> answers for their equally confused participants; no
> reply.
> If this list is in fact about all DNA and if in
> fact those surname groups are about all participants
> with the sponsored surname then those administrators
> and participants questions should be addressed.
> I await in breathless anticipation.
>
> Jeffrey Stewart
>
> ellen Levy wrote:
> Jim:
>
> I must disagree with your assessment. The posters to
> this list are well-educated about most of the
> haplogroups, both Y chromo. & MtDNA. Some specialize
> in analyzing certain groups over others and their
> knowledged has been an invaluable source of
> information on the List. I think Ken's recent
> posting
> regarding this was incredibly well-stated.
>
> What is it specifically you would like to know about
> E3b? I've examined this haplogroup a bit and would
> certainly been willing to try to answer inquiries
> about it. I think others on the List would be
> willing
> to give it a go as well if you have specific
> questions
> regarding this haplogroups origins, distribution,
> etc.
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
>
> --- wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 11/29/2004 8:57:07 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > Is there a general reason no one would
> > > match my brother and so many my husband?
> >
> > because there seems to be more matchs with eb3s
> > but no one knows anything about eb3 here just
> r1h-1a
> >
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