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Subject: Re: [DNA] RE: FW: test results
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:15:18 +0000
To repeat, until you are tested for M17+ you will never know for sure. As Bennett has noted, SRY10831.2 (who can remember this moniker?) negative means you are R1a. This is counter intuitive and I am in contact with a number of individuals who should have been R1a but they got the SRY10831.2 cold shoulder and now all of a sudden we have a "glut" of R1 individuals. I will not (you are free to do as you wish) accept these results as valid until the correct marker, M17 is employed. The reason why I refused to take the "haplogroup challenge" for my uncle is the unacceptable chance for error (false negative) using anything but M17. Considering that I own a company that could have an answer for me in a couple of hours, I will wait and gear up my own lab to have available complete panels of my choosing (we already have the primers in stock) for any and all haplogroups. None of this is rocket science so it shouldn't take long to be "primed" and ready to go.
Dr. David K. Faux
P.O. Box 192
Seal Beach, CA 90740
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> Dear Dave and others ,
> Here is the explanation that I was given by Mr. Greenspan . Originally they
> had thought that I was R1a , at the 12 marker level. I ordered the Y37DNA
> and SNP tests, they continued on with the SNP and performed several more
> tests. It would appear they are confident that I am R. I understand the
> splits off R, but am confused how an R found his way into England, when he
> should have been R1a,R1 , R1b or J according to known migrations. R should
> have gone off to the East or South. Since I have 5 exact matches at 12
> markers,3 British Isles and 2 Lithuanian . The Lithunanian issue points me
> to the Kurgan Culture which may have had offshoots which traversed along the
> North Sea to land at the Frisian Sandbanks . It is known that the Frisian
> Culture[Jutes] waxed and waned in that area for many centuries from 3000bc
> to 400/600 ad when they were assimilated into the Frankish . I also would
> tend to believe that the people who were to become the Norse and Danish
> Vikings also came through same area and moved on . It is known that my
> Jenkins line most likely comes through a Jenkyn born 1488 at Folkstone ,
> Kent. He is said by Berry to be descended from a "Jenkyn of the North" [
> north of the Medway River]. The Kyn ending is definitely of Nordic origin
> and may have come in direct in 449ad. on era or later from Flanders. This is
> about where I am until another exact match at 37 markers comes along. Thanks
> for help.
> Dan Jenkins
> >>From: "Bennett Greenspan"
> >>Subject: FW: test results
> >>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:29:05 -0500
> >>Hi Dan
> >>R1a, as defined by SRY10831.2 is actually representative of a reversal,
> >>and a + on that single marker on the tree means that you are NOT R1a. I
> >>know it is a little illogical, but that is the way it is. When we
> >>determined that you were NOT R1a we tested you for R, and you are at
> >>least R. Now we are testing you for R1, and if that is positive then
> >>we'll test you for R1b. If you aren't R1b, but are R1 we'll update your
> >>page and reflect that.
> >>E-mail any time.
> >>Best Regards,
> >>Bennett Greenspan
> >>Family Tree DNA
> >>"History Unearthed Daily"