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From: Havelock Vetinari <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Another gem from Capelli
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:35:01 -0500
References: <010301c4d708$048bfd90$a6569045@Ken1> <018401c4d720$87209000$008dcbc1@f2i6i5> <019e01c4d725$5f46e520$a6569045@Ken1>
In-Reply-To: <019e01c4d725$5f46e520$a6569045@Ken1>


Ken:

Couldn't all this be explained by genetic drift rather than a
non-Iberian refuge during the LGM?

Regards,
Vet


On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:41:38 -0700, Ken Nordtvedt
<> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> That's precisely my view of the matter. My hypothesis is that a good block
> of R1b more heavily populated with the 23/11 variety "wintered" in Italy,
> middle Danube basin, or on periphery of the Alps and then expanded north
> after the LGM to populate Germany and eventually merge with an independent
> expansion more following the coast from Iberia. In fact I will eventually
> look for evidence pro or con the idea that some of these "winter" refuges
> contained decent fractions of more than one haplogroup, so during their
> post-LGM expansions more than one haplogroup joined the ride.
>
> This is a hypothesis which then focuses the search for more evidence one way
> or the other.
>
> The Kansas metaphor began with David Wilson. I thought it worth passing on
> for its imagery.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Another gem from Capelli
>
> > Ken,
> > With this latest news, and going on your recent mails (your Kansas theory)
> > Could the 23/11 Rb1s have passed the last ice age somewhere other than
> Spain? and moved up to present day Germany from there, rather than
> originating from the Iberian peninsular?
> > Peter.
> >
>
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