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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 SNP-e3b
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:14:40 -0800 (PST)
There is no evidence - genetic (most important on this
list) or archaeological to support your contention.
As such, you are espousing personal religious views
not based on scientific evidence or studies.
However, you insistence regarding Jewish ancestry has
made me curious. Is it your contention then that
these "Jews who forgot their Jewishness and became
Europeans" therefore can claim Jewish ancestry (both
culturally and genetically) in the same fashion that
contemporary Jewish populations (obviously) do today?
> In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:40:14 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > "Several of us keep objecting to J2 being called a
> Jewish haplogroup because
> > we have repeatedly seen people posting a message
> like "I didn't know my
> > family was Jewish!" upon learning that they are
> J2. The above numbers show
> > that the frequency of J2 among non-Jews is about
> 1/3 that seen among
> > Ashkenazi Jews. Since Jews are a small percentage
> of the population (about
> > 0.5% in Europe, about 2% in the US), that means
> that about 98% of European
> > J2's are not Jewish, and about 94% of American
> J2's are not Jewish. (In fact
> > their paternal lines had already been in Europe
> for thousands of years
> > before Abraham was born). That's why we keep
> insisting that calling J2 a
> > Jewish haplogroup is a misleading way of
> describing J2.
> > Dennis Garvey"
> dont forget 6 million + hebrews the house of israel
> crossed the Caucasus mts
> 600 bc and migrated west to be a people who forgot
> their religion and just
> became europeans . why the surprize many irish and
> other europeans turn up
> with askenazi and jewish roots. unfortunatly they
> can forget who they are but
> their genes dont.
> Jim Denning-Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist
> List owner of
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> DNA Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project-
> County Longford Project
> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so
> much more.
> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection.
> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx