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From: "Geoff Howard" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] R1a1 - M17 as an Ancestral (circa 9000 YBP) North American Lineage
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:42:49 -0800
In-Reply-To: <122320040045.25704.41CA153600030C16000064682200763704050B989A0E00@comcast.net>


All,

I know we agreed to let the matter drop, but I have been out of commission
for a few days and wanted to get my two cents in. Having read the paper, I
must say in an otherwise solid study, the M17 inclusion is incredibly
sloppy. All he writes of the matter is "One Guaymi individual from Costa
Rica belonged to haplogroup M17...". That's it! No allusion to the
possibility of this being gene flow from European colonization. Nothing. I
also wonder about the recording of M89 and M173.

Costa Rica, as I understand it, was one of the more sparsely populated areas
of the New World before the coming of the Europeans. Today, it is considered
80% "white". Of all the places to study, you would think the group that
published this work would be especially diligent in considering all the
possibilities.

I know there in intense pressure on the scientific community to publish
works with innovative, fresh findings. I wonder if this may have something
to do with that.

Geoff Howard

>From:
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>To:
>Subject: RE: [DNA] R1a1 - M17 as an Ancestral (circa 9000 YBP) North
>American Lineage
>Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:45:42 +0000
>
>Doug and I agree Mark, the Lell paper, and those based upon it, are so
>seriously flawed that it is best to let the matter drop at least until
>someone can show that R1a from a non admixed source is found in a Na - Dene
>population.
>
>David F.
>
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> > David
> > How did you infer the conversion factors in the article? Would the
> > Somerled signature which you believe came through Norway from the Altai
> > be 12 12 12 11 on conversion to their counting and order? It is 13 25 15
> > 11 11 14 12 12 in FTDNA. If so, that branch does not appear among the
> > Indians of the Americas,correct?
> >
> > When you have suggested that the Somerled line came through the Altai
> > before it turned west toward Sweden, then Norway, then Scotland, do you
> > believe the origin of that path was closer to the Tofolars, the Tuvans,
> > the Buryats,or the Yenisey Evenks on the article's fig 1. Is that lake,
> > which those peoples surround, Lake Baikal? Is the area now the Tuva
> > Republic with Kizil as its capital? My sense of Siberian geography is
> > almost non existent.
> > Thanks for your assistance.
> >
> > Mark MacDonald
> >
>
>
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