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From: John Carr <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1a1 - M17 as an Ancestral (circa 9000 YBP) North American Lineage
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:18:42 -0800
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Thomas Alexander Thom wrote about the Mandan People, but has anyone established anthropological evidence to support the story? He also writes about a group of Viking descendants who settled in Kentucy. There are stories about such things and looking at the stories in Europe, their may be something behind them. (if Columbus had not been sponsored by the King and Queen of a major European power would anyone have believed him? Was there anything so miraculous that he did that others of the same or earlier times could not have done the same thing? What about the stories of Brandon and the Norse voyages? Where did the stories of Sea Monsters on the world's edge come from? Weren't they the result of ships going off to sea and never returning? Couldn't those ships have actually arrived in the new continent and left European descendants on this shore? Plenty of rhetorical evidence, but where is the irrefutable evidence? Just like trying to decide who the first man was who settled in England, good questions, but almost impossible to establish irrefutably.) For genealogical purposes anthropological or modern DNA evidence is required. As described in a separate post, Indian reluctance to submit to DNA testing is understandable is very understandable. With known European contacts with natives on this continent going back to 1492, European characteristics had plenty of time to integrate into America prior to the 1800's when most of these stories emerge. By the 1900's many of these people may have just blended into white society. Interesting stuff, but where is the irrefutable evidence. The Children of First Man With its beautifully written and deeply felt descriptions of the feelings the first whites and Native Americans had for each other, The Children Of the First Man tells the fascinating story of a European people gradually absorbed into the American culture until their literacy was lost and their Christian religion submerged in the legend of Madoc, the First Man. Sweeping from the blood-soaked castles of medieval Wales to the landmark expedition of Lewis and Clark, from the hushed beauty of virgin wilderness to the Mandan villages of domed earthen lodges, The Children of the First Man is a triumph of the storyteller's art. John On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Jim & Marie Wilcox wrote: > Dear List, > > There is an old legend about the Mandan People of the Ohio River Valley > area that supports that there was an Indian group that had blue and > green > eyes. The story goes that pre-colonization (Mayflower, etc), a group of > Welshmen arrived and were taken in by the Mandan people. Another take > on > this was that the adoptees were Portuguese....This story was recorded > by > Lewis and Clark on their travels when they reached the Mandan Village > as > told to them. > > Another noteworthy point and fact: > The Blackfoot Nation, Idaho/Montana, are Type A blood versus the > standard > Type O blood and lived in relative isolation until Lewis and Clark. > They > also have freckled skin and some are fair complexioned. > > Of course the key here is that this information is specifically > "pre-colonization". The various Indian Nations have their own take on > their > historial encounters with non-indian peoples. > > Marie > > At 02:08 PM 12/27/2004 -0600, you wrote: >> I think some of the Cherokees had hazel or blue-eyed children... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ljcrain [mailto:] >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:53 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [DNA] R1a1 - M17 as an Ancestral (circa 9000 YBP) North >> American Lineage >> >> >>> I have never heard anything about this either. What >>> scientific or historical >>> sources are you using for blond haired blue eyed >>> Native Americans? >> >> The original post implied very ancient times for these blue eyed >> blonde >> Indians, though how that could be discerned, I don't know. Jamestown >> was >> est. 1607. Spaniards and other Europeans had made contact by then. >> >> Janet Crain >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >