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From: "Whit Athey" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Y Haplogroup K
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:32:22 -0500
In-Reply-To: <011520051531.13256.41E9376B0009797D000033C82200734840050B989A0E00@comcast.net>


There was some discussion here last month on "Haplogroup K" and now we are
seeing some more. Most of the posts comment on the rarity of K. However,
about 80% of the males who have had their Y tested at FTDNA have been shown
to be in Haplogroup K. This haplogroup is huge and consists of subgroups L,
M, N, O, P (and P contains Q, R, R1a, R1b, etc). So, there are clearly lots
of folks in Haplogroup K. The rare subgroup that is likely being referred
to in the recent posts consists of those individuals who are positive for M9
(the defining SNP for K), but are not in L, M, N, O, or P. This rare
haplogroup should be referred to as K* (not just plain K).

Because of the rarity of K*, how do we distinguish between a real K* STR
haplotype, and a rare STR haplotype from another haplogroup within K, based
on STR values alone? You really can have no confidence that a K* guess is
right--you need to SNP-test every haplogroup within K to be sure.

Whit


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Y Haplogroup K

Dennis:

You might want to compare the results below to that of my K fellow from
Shetland. The URL is www.davidkfaux.org/shetlandislandsY-DNA.html. If you
click on the data button second down on the left you can then view his 37
markers in Excel, and some information about matches (mostly Azerbaijan) by
clicking on the Jameison link - he is kit 19410. We have taken extra
samples, and in our lab we will toss all known SNP markers for K at his DNA
in due course.

David F.



-------------- Original message --------------

>
> Last week I reported the FTDNA 12 marker
> results for one of our PARKERs who 'could'
> be in haplogroup K. We just received his
> complete 37 marker results shown below.
> I checked the frequencies of his markers
> in Sorenson's data base of about 9500
> samples. In addition to an extra copy of
> DYS 464, he has 4 markers that occur
> with a frequency of 1 % or less. I have
> noted the frequency of the rare markers
> below.
>
> 393 13
> 390 22
> 19 13
> 391 10
> 385a/b 13 -13 = 1.2%
> 426 11
> 388 12
> 439 11
> 389-1 14
> 392 13
> 389-2 29
> 458 15
> 459a 9
> 459b 9
> 455 11
> 454 12
> 447 28 = 0.8 %
> 437 15
> 448 19
> 449 34 = 1.1 %
> 464a 11
> 464b 11
> 464c 15
> 464d 16
> 464e 17
> 460 11
> GATA H4 11
> YCA II a /b 23 - 24 = 0.2%
> 456 16
> 607 13
> 576 18
> 570 18
> CDYa 34
> CDYb 36
> 442 12
> 438 9
>
> In Whit's haplogroup predictor, his highest
> score is 24 for J2. SNP test results are
> projected for mid-February.
>
> Ann says that rarity is the norm for
> haplotypes, but this one must truly be
> on the fringe.
>
> Dennis West
>



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