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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Eu19, HG3 or R1a
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:38:48 -0700
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Does anyone know what the numbers in the regional circles indicate? I have
not seen those numbers when I used YHRD, but perhaps they are there but too
small?

It is not clear to me what these I1a haplotypes have to do with the previous
discussions of R1a?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Havelock Vetinari" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Eu19, HG3 or R1a


> Related post from Dienekes:
>
>
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/01/western-norwegian-modal-haplotype.html
>
> Western Norwegian modal haplotype
>
> Western Norway, being relatively remote from the European continent
> and the known source of Viking migrations is of special
> anthropological interest. It may represent a relatively untainted
> North Germanic gene pool, and is usually thought to be a good
> representative of the Norsemen of the Viking age.
>
> The modal haplotype of W. Norway is 14-12-28-23-10-11-13-14,14 and
> according to Whit Athey's haplogroup predictor it is suggestive of
> Y-haplogroup I1a which has a well-known Northwestern European main
> distribution. Its prevalence in Europe (129 matches) is shown below:
>
> http://img177.exs.cx/img177/3426/westernnorwegian6bx.jpg
>
> The distribution of a one-step neighbor of the above
> (14-12-28-23-10-11-13-13,14) with 105 occurrences in Europe has the
> following distribution:
>
> http://img186.exs.cx/img186/6396/westernnorwegian23uo.jpg
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:01:48 -0600, Doug McDonald <>
wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > These authors are going way beyond their data in asserting that the
Eastern European R1a variant is "ancestral" to the rest of the R1a world.
Another example of a Euro - centric viewpoint. Actually the data is now
almost overwhelming that R1a emerged in northern Pakistan or India and
spread north, south, east and west from that point. The haplotype diversity
is higher here than anywhere else on the planet (except, curiously,
Scandinavia).
>
>
> ==============================
> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.
> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more:
http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx
>
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