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From: "Bernard Burgey" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1a in Denmark
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:23:49 -0400
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Ken,

I don't know about the Frisian - Kurgan connection, but the about 20%
of "non-German" in German Languages refer to horses, administration
and warfare. Perhaps some "Kurgan" influence?About Jutland, Frisia....
The Helvetii, a Clan of the "German" tribe of the Tigurinians(?, I'm not
sure
about the English spelling) immigrated together with the Teutones and
Kimber from 110 BC out of Jutland, forced from some inundations)
moving south. (Swiss=Helvetia, the South I2's?)
The Gotes wandering about 350 AD from the North Sea to the Black Sea
and the Burgundians came in the 3rd Ctr from Bornholm to West Germany
the area what is now Rheinland, Hessen. In about 335 they tried to take the
Roman province Belgae. In this battle against the Romans and there allies
the Hunnes, the Burgundians lost the battle and there King Gundikar and his
wife Giselher (Nibelung Epos= the oldest German Literature)
Don't forget the Alemans, = loose confederation of "all man" consisting of
all the Clans and all the tribes.incl. Angle Saxon.

Regards
Bernard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] I1a in Denmark


> What makes these Frisians any more descendants of the Kurgans than many
> other Europeans? I thought the Kurgans were associated with introduction
of
> horses, Indo-European languages, and maybe R1a into Europe more generally?
>
> I ask because my maternal grandmother was probably a Frisian, born in
> Schleswig near the Danish/German border about 10 miles from the North Sea
> coast. She was U5b mtDNA --- as am I.
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Jenkins" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] I1a in Denmark
>
>
> >
> > Ken ,
> >
> > If you Google ' Frisian Isles " there is a lot of info. and links
> concerning
> > the people of the Jutland area. This is where I believe my ancient
> > forebears came from either, as early as the 449ad congquest of Kent,
> England
> > or later events of conquest by descendants of the Jutes
> > up to the time including the Norman Conquest. The Frisian sandbank
people
> > appear to be descendants of the Kurgans.
> >
> > Dan Jenkins R* and dangling
>


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