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From: "ljcrain1" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] A New Line of Crains Discovered
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:35:41 -0600
Thank you, Mark. Yes, I have read of Islay and Jura and the history of these
septs. This is very exciting!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: [DNA] A New Line of Crains Discovered
> I have two MacDonalds who match number 11 at 11/12 and two MacDonalds
> that are 12/12 with your two first cousins. MacCrains who lived on
> Islay and Jura were Clan Donald South. Those islands were at the very
> heart of the Lordship of the Isles. MacCrain means son of the Boar.
> I've never checked the name in contexts other than Islay and Jura.
> Black, Surnames of Scotland suggests that you also check the Scottish
> borders under the names Swine and Swinton.
> All three samples need 25/37 markers to say more.
> Mark MacDonald
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] A New Line of Crains Discovered
> If my eyes aren't deceiving me, it looks like kit 21560 is 9/12 as
> compared to the others. Usually that is an indication that there will be
> many more non-matches with additional testing for that person, if you
> expand the testing to 25 markers.
> But I remember over four years ago when I started my Kerchner surname
> project the first two Kerchners tested were only 10/12. And according to
> conventional wisdom back then (we've come a long way since then), we
> were considered probably not recently related in a genealogical
> time-frame sense. But as the new enhanced tests became available we
> expanded our haplotypes to 25 markers, and we matched on all of the next
> 13 markers. Then when the 37 DYS marker test came out we added those 12
> markers and we matched all of those 12 new DYS markers. So our 10/12
> became a 35/37. See the success story details here:
> The bottom line, imo, is that if the funds are available, I would
> probably pursue testing to 25 markers, just to see what turns up. More
> data is always better than less.
> Charles Kerchner
> Kerchner Surname Project Admin
> ljcrain1 wrote:
>> #21560 is a stand alone in the FTDNA CRAIN/CRANE project. #29443 and
>> #29542 only match each other. Do any of you think this is a close
>> enough match to pursue on to 25 markers?
>> 11 21560 Crain-13 25 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 29
>> 12 29443 Crane-13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 11 13 14 29
>> 13 29542 Crane (crain)-13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 11 13 14 29
>> Are the markers they differ on fast moving? What would be your
>> as to country of origin? The matching participants are first cousins.
>> Thank you in advance for any information.
>> Janet Crain
>> Co-administrator CRAIN/CRANE Y Chromosome Surname Study
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