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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS 445 in R1a
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:48:44 -0700
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I meant to say "For YCAIIa,b = 19,21" haplotypes in Sorenson with the rest
of the R1a motif. Sorry for the omission.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS 445 in R1a


> For YCAIIa,b haplotypes in Sorenson
>
> There were 6 with DYS 390 = 26 and 6 were 12 at DYS 445
> There were 48 with DYS 390 = 25 and 45 were 12 at DYS 445
> There were 14 with DYS 390 = 24 and 12 were 12 at DYS 445
>
> No cigar!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS 445 in R1a
>
>
> > Ken:
> >
> > Try YCAIIa,b = 19,21 which is much more typical of the Norse colonies
that
> the standard 19,23 (all of my R1a Shetlanders with aboriginal surnames
have
> 19,21 or 19,20).
> >
> > David F.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > Some of us with Norse interests are looking for the magic bullet (or
> more magic
> > > bullets) which might with STR modal values distinquish R1a of simply
> Eastern
> > > Europe variety or a deep Central Asian variety. Or to put it another
> way; two
> > > types of R1a haplotypes seem to be present in Norway and Sweden. Can
we
> find
> > > markers which make cleaner the distinction.
> > >
> > > Following up on this morning's discussions of Sorenson's new DYS 445
> which has
> > > different modals for subclades of I, R1b, J, etc., I checked whether
it
> might do
> > > the deed with R1a.
> > >
> > >
> > > I put in root haplotype YCAIIa,b = 19,23; 391,392, 393 = 11, 11, 13;
388
> = 12;
> > > and then 390 = 24, 25, and 26. I then checked on DYS 445 values.
> > >
> > > There were 103 haplotypes with DYS 390 = 25; 95 had 12 repeats at DYS
> 445
> > > There were 18 haplotypes with DYS 390 = 24; 17 had 12 repeats at DYS
445
> > > There were 13 haplotypes with DYS 390 = 26; 13 had 12 repeats at DYS
445
> > >
> > > DYS 445 is apparently modal 12 for both R1b and R1a
> > >
> > > I was struck at how few R1a haplotypes seem to be in the Sorenson
> database
> > > considering that a very good fraction of the Mormon population have
> Scandinavian
> > > roots because missionaries went there recruiting in the mid 19th
> century. I
> > > will go back and compare these numbers with the I1a numbers I have
from
> Sorenson
> > > for the Anglo Saxon and Norse varieties of this haplogroup.
> > >
> > > If the ratios are out of kilter with what we know the I1a/R1a ratio in
> Norway
> > > is, and I am sure we will, then we might get some evidence toward a
> question I
> > > have had for some time. What was the actual ratio of immigrants into
the
> > > British Isles from the Anglo-Saxon invasions, the Danelaw settlements
by
> Danish
> > > Vikings, and the Norse? Of course the percentage of R1a in Denmark and
> > > AngloSaxony also needs to be known fairly well.
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> >
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