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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: DYS19/394 was Re: [DNA] Re: Missing Swedish R1a?
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:11:50 -0700
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The counts are NOT Sorenson's adjustment at DYS 19. They are the convention
used by all the testing companies such as DNAHeritge and FTDNA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven C. Perkins" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: DYS19/394 was Re: [DNA] Re: Missing Swedish R1a?


> Also remember that 19/394 is scored 1 higher by Sorenson vs FTDNA and
DNAH.
> So should I be looking at 15,25,11 or 16,25,11 in the list
> below? These counting
> issues have to be explicitly stated by the testing labs, the
> researchers in the
> research papers, and the providers of the public searchable
> databases. Much of
> the older work needs to be looked at with these issues in mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven C. Perkins
>
> At 12:29 AM 4/2/2005, you wrote:
> >15,25,11 16/718 or 2.2% in Sweden, and 22/300 or 7.3% in Norway
> >15,25,10 10/718 or 1.4% in Sweden, and 13/300 or 4.3% in Norway
> >15,24,11 5/718 or 0.7% in Sweden, and 9/300 or 3.0% in Norway
> >16,24,11 5/718 or 0.7% in Sweden, and 8/300 or 2.7% in Norway
> >16.25,11 17/718 or 2.4% in Sweden, and 6/300 or 2.0% in Norway
> >16,25,10 10/718 or 1.4% in Sweden, and 6/300 or 2.0% in Norway
> >17,25,10 3/718 or 0.4% in Sweden, and 3/300 or 1.0% in Norway
> >17,25,11 3/718 or 0.4% in Sweden, and none in Norway
> >17,24,11 none in either country
> >
> >Denmark and Finland counts by haplotype are too small to have much
meaning.
> >Finland has total of 17/399 and Denmark has total of 2/63
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brian D. Hamman" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:57 PM
> >Subject: [DNA] Re: Missing Swedish R1a?
> >
> >
> > > Ken,
> > > Would you be willing to post how many folks belong to each of the R1a
> > > categories listed below? I am very interested to see these haplotypes
> > > sorted by Scandinavian nationality. Certainly the 15,25,11 is pretty
> > > concentrated in Norway, but how about the other haplotypes? Any
Finnish
> >R1a
> > > in YHRD?
> > > Thanks much,
> > > Brian Hamman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:18 AM
> > > Subject: Missing Swedish R1a?
> > >
> > >
> > > >I sought as much as possible of the R1a in Norway, Swedish, and
Danish
> > > >regional databases of YHRD by extracting the following haplotypes at
DYS
> > > >19,390,391
> > > >
> > > > 15,25,11
> > > > 15,25,10
> > > > 15,24,11
> > > > 16,25,11
> > > > 16,25,10
> > > > 16,24,11
> > > > 17,25,11
> > > > 17,25,10
> > > > 17,24,11
> > > >
> > > > with all these forms also having 11,13 at DYS 392,393.
> > > >
> > > > I only found 9.6 percent of the Swedish databases included (69 /
718);
> > > > 22.3 percent of the Norwegian databases (67 / 300); and 3.2 percent
of
> >the
> > > > Danish database (2/63).
> > > >
> > > > Danish number could be subject to substantial statistical flucuation
> >from
> > > > true value, but Swedish percentage is more robust.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of R1a is escaping this net in any appreciable numbers?
Or is
> > > > Swedish R1a really that much smaller a percent of population than in
> > > > Norway?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
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