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From: WalMax <>
Subject: Haplogroup E3a SNP P1+
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:39:36 -0400


Terry,

I was tested in the Fall of 2003 and was shocked to find I was E3a and that
meant I was of African descent. It was beyond belief.

My ancestor Christian Gabinish was born 1820 in Lothringa, Alsace Lorraine.
He came to Cincinnati, Ohio from there in 1848/49. They were bilingual but
spoke primarily French. There is no chance that my ancestry is a result of
anything that happened in Colonial America or the Slave situation in the
South. They were very typical of that area of Europe and were devout
Catholics. Their profession was to make clothing, they were tailors and bakers.

Sometime between their arrival here and the death of Christian in 1890 they
changed their name to its present spelling Gabennesch. According to
information, from what I consider reliable sources, it seems, much to my
amazement, that the name evolved from the Italian Gabinius to the German
Gabinish/Gabinisch. One of the reliable sources being Theodor Mommsen the
German Pulitzer Prize winning historian of the 19th Century for authoring
"The Roman Empire".

So how did my "African Ancestor" get to Europe to adopt an Italian name and
make the evolution or transition from a dark skinned African to a white
skinned Caucasian? How could he have traveled from the west coast of Africa
to Italy and the Lower Rhine River Valley?

There is nothing I have found that would explain how a Sub Saharan African
Bantu who is suppose to have migrated to the west coast of African 1100 to
3000 years ago could have made that trip and the transition. My "African
Ancestor" had to have been in Europe for a very, very long time not just a
few hundred of years. Did he go there as a slave? Did he go there as a soldier?

I think there is a lot to be learned, but these are such isolated instances
no one has that interest. I am hoping that the Genographic program will
turn up some more E3a's in Central Europe and even perhaps in Italy.
Needless to say I am frustrated. On the other hand, I enjoy being in the
somewhat unique position of being a Caucasian with an African Haplogroup.

Locus-----------------DYS#----------------Alleles
1 393 13
2 390 21
3 19 15
4 391 11
5 385a 16
6 385b 17
7 426 11
8 388 12
9 439 12
10 389-1 13
11 392 11
12 389-2 32

Walt,


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