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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroup E3a SNP P1+
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:52:58 -0600
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Walt, I can see the signs of your coming addiction with genetic genealogy.
It is a twist like your out-of-place paternal haplogroup which will do it.
In my case it was discovering that my paternal line and mother's paternal
line had a common ancestor approximately 3000 years ago somewhere, yet had
been living far apart for most of that time. One then wants to put details
on the story of how the anonymous generations of our ancestors in between
got from A to B and C ?

You say no one has the interest you have on this particular question. That
may or may not be true. But in any case you do and can be the driving force
in putting flesh on that piece of the human dispersion story. Others will
then become interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: "WalMax" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:39 AM
Subject: [DNA] Haplogroup E3a SNP P1+

> Terry,
> I was tested in the Fall of 2003 and was shocked to find I was E3a and
> meant I was of African descent. It was beyond belief.
> My ancestor Christian Gabinish was born 1820 in Lothringa, Alsace
> He came to Cincinnati, Ohio from there in 1848/49. They were bilingual but
> spoke primarily French. There is no chance that my ancestry is a result of
> anything that happened in Colonial America or the Slave situation in the
> South. They were very typical of that area of Europe and were devout
> Catholics. Their profession was to make clothing, they were tailors and
> Sometime between their arrival here and the death of Christian in 1890
> changed their name to its present spelling Gabennesch. According to
> information, from what I consider reliable sources, it seems, much to my
> amazement, that the name evolved from the Italian Gabinius to the German
> Gabinish/Gabinisch. One of the reliable sources being Theodor Mommsen the
> German Pulitzer Prize winning historian of the 19th Century for authoring
> "The Roman Empire".
> So how did my "African Ancestor" get to Europe to adopt an Italian name
> make the evolution or transition from a dark skinned African to a white
> skinned Caucasian? How could he have traveled from the west coast of
> to Italy and the Lower Rhine River Valley?
> There is nothing I have found that would explain how a Sub Saharan African
> Bantu who is suppose to have migrated to the west coast of African 1100 to
> 3000 years ago could have made that trip and the transition. My "African
> Ancestor" had to have been in Europe for a very, very long time not just a
> few hundred of years. Did he go there as a slave? Did he go there as a
> I think there is a lot to be learned, but these are such isolated
> no one has that interest. I am hoping that the Genographic program will
> turn up some more E3a's in Central Europe and even perhaps in Italy.
> Needless to say I am frustrated. On the other hand, I enjoy being in the
> somewhat unique position of being a Caucasian with an African Haplogroup.
> Locus-----------------DYS#----------------Alleles
> 1 393 13
> 2 390 21
> 3 19 15
> 4 391 11
> 5 385a 16
> 6 385b 17
> 7 426 11
> 8 388 12
> 9 439 12
> 10 389-1 13
> 11 392 11
> 12 389-2 32
> Walt,
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