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From: "Garland Boyette" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroup E3a SNP P1+
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:36:50 +0000
In-Reply-To: <20050423161444.59247.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com>


Ellen:

I agree, African-Americans often react in a similar fashion upon discovery
of an atypical Y-DNA or mDNA haplogroup assignment. See the following
comments from a poster at the Afrigenias DNA Board:

http://afrigeneas.com/forum-dna/index.cgi?read=30

And no discussion is necessary as to whether physical traits should be used
to define us. Our physical appearance is indeed a part of our identity. But
one's physical appearance is still the same after finding out one's
membership in an unexpected haplogroup! It hasn''t changed. And on this
list, I don't don't thinks it's necessary to go into the fact that y and x
chromosomes don't control features such as hair, skin, and eye color. But
it does concern me a bit that there seems to be a view out there that
assignment to a particular haplgroup consititutes membership in a particular
race or ethnicity. Again, these haplogroups are thousands of years old, and
often predate our modern definitions of race and ethnicity, and the strong
language ("shock", "beyond belief") that people often use upon discovery of
unusual haplogroups for their origins, means that there is a good deal of
misunderstanding out there as to what these hapolgroups actually mean. One
sees it over and over again - being R1b doesn't mean your a "Celt" , I1a
doesn''t mean you're a "Viking", and such talk that's often thrown about.
There were no Vikings or Celts 25,000 or 35,000 years ago when these
haplogroups began. Both groups are much more recent, and likely consisted
of many different haplogroups. One should probably keep this in mind when
we get unexpected results.

Garland
Administrator, Boyett(e) Surname DNA Project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/boyette/
http://bellsouthpwp.net/B/o/Boyt-Boyett/Page.htm


>From: ellen Levy <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [DNA] Haplogroup E3a SNP P1+


>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>To the poster who posted about how others shouldn't be
>shocked by their E3a results - remember, it is one
>thing to think about your probable varied racial
>background, another to have direct proof of your
>direct male lineage being from sub-Sahara Africa when
>you are Caucasian. Our physical appearances are part
>of our self-identity. Frankly, from the reports I've
>read, African-Americans have been equally shocked to
>discover R1b ancestry. I don't want to get into a big
>discussion about whether traits like hair and skin
>color should or shouldn't be used to define us as
>individuals here, if possible.
>
>Ellen Coffman
>
>

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