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From: John Carr <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Geography of Western I1b
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 20:27:37 -0700
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I was referring to the Sorenson database, sorry that I was not clear.
The list of surnames shows 12 Carrs, but I have not found a DNA pattern
that exposes them yet. It is not close to any of the haplotypes of
the FTDNA members, as far as I can tell. Tedious process trying to
find someone entering different allele numbers.

John Carr

On May 1, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Ken Nordtvedt wrote:

> John, I am not sure what you mean you "have not found the DNA pattern
> ...."? I only find 5 y haplotypes. The top two are most likely
> haplogroup
> J. The 12 at 393 plus very high DYS388 points that way. The 3rd
> haplotype
> looks like an "in-the-outskirts" R1b with a number of mutations away
> from
> the modal Atlantic haplotype. Are there more haplotypes in your
> project?
>
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Carr" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Geography of Western I1b
>
>
>> I still have not found the DNA pattern for the 12 Carrs in the
>> database. I do find it interesting how the surnames vary so much with
>> the same allele pattern. I mean really vary, not even same geographic
>> and cultural groups.
>>
>> John Carr
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2005, at 12:13 PM, Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>>
>>> No, I didn't. You know English surnames --- they all sound alike! I
>>> remember the Irish hit, surname was "Brown".
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Carr" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DNA] Geography of Western I1b
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ken, did you happen to record the Surnames along with the data?
>>>>
>>>> John Carr
>>>>
>>>> On May 1, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Ken Nordtvedt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Sorenson pedigrees for the Western I1b were mainly in England,
>>>>> spread
>>>>> around (Northhampton, Lankashire, Worcester, Nottingham), one Scot,
>>>>> one
>>>>> Ireland with English name; 2 North Germany, 1 Dane from
>>>>> Schleswig-Holstein,
>>>>> and 1 Prussian, 1 Norwegian. Capelli shows a cluster of about 10
>>>>> Western
>>>>> I1b spread around British Isles plus 3 from Anglo-Saxony/Denmark,
>>>>> and
>>>>> 1 from
>>>>> Norway.
>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>
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