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From: "M True" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Assistance with Results Interpretation
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:49:56 +0100
Thanks for your input and interpretation as to the results. Hopefully you
have/will see my slightly earlier posting which gave a brief background into
my match with the Barlows.
My own "gut" feeling is that there is a common ancestor, but of course until
proof can be found that is all it will be.
Thanks also for sharing a bit of background information about matches with
your own family's results.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Schrack" <>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [DNA] Re: Assistance with Results Interpretation
> Hi John,
> Since you've specifically asked me to comment, I will try to do so, even
> though I have very little familiarity with R1b -- so take this for what
> it's worth.
> John wrote:
> > 1. Due to the similarity of my results with a group in the Barlow DNA
> > project I have asked for my results to be posted with their project. A
> > very recent match between myself and a new Barlow candidate has just
> > occurred at 33/37 using the Stepwise Model. However 2 of the steps
> > occur at CDYa which FTDNA have as one of their faster mutating
> > markers. Am I correct in thinking when using the FTDNA hybrid model I
> > should interpret this difference as 1 not 2, in FTDNA terms making us
> > 34/37 = related?
> > my kit is # 22784, the close matching Barlow project member is kit #
> > http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Options/BARLOWDNAPROJECT.htm
> > 2. We all appear to have a version of the AMH however the DYS393=12 is
> > a common feature of the Barlow subgroup marked in Blue. I would be
> > very interested to hear what Bonnie, Anne, Ken, David etc have to say
> > about this feature and any other of the markers which they feel may
> > have significant values.
> I would note that:
> a) you do match 25/25 with three of the Barlows
> b) the' mismatches' you have at 456, CDYb and 442 are shared by some or
> most of the Barlows in various combinations
> c) the only real mismatches you have are the 10 at 460 and the 39 at
> CDYa, which after all, is quite a hot mutator.
> As I mentioned, I don't usually evaluate R1b haplotypes. I know many
> of them are extremely similar, but it seems to me that there is a very
> good chance of your having a common ancestor with these Barlows; the
> only question, of course, is how recently. I would certainly not expect
> it to have been since arrival in America. If you were able to do some
> extensive research in your places of origin -- Britain I assume -- who
> knows, you might get lucky. I would be looking into that if I were in
> your shoes. I would try to find out exactly where your respective
> immigrant ancestors came from and do local research in that area. A
> little challenging, but genealogists have been thriving on that kind of
> challenge for many years.
> This isn't the way I had been planning to tell the list about it, but I
> have a similar situation with my own family. I found this match through
> the Sorenson database, and the other family unfortunately does not have
> a surname project. The person I've found from their family who has a
> genealogy website is not the DNA donor (whose surname had changed, due
> to the remarriage of a mother a few generations back), doesn't know him,
> and seems uncomfortable with the idea of DNA testing and our genetic
> It's not a close match by the standards of R1b, but given that we are
> J2, and that our haplotypes are unusual ones within J2, it's very
> striking. It turns out that our families are from closely adjoining
> locations in Switzerland, and my research so far shows very good reasons
> to think that we descend from a common ancestor who might have lived as
> recently as the Middle Ages (before surnames came into use), or anytime
> between then and the Roman period. I still have great hopes that I will
> eventually find people in the other family who are interested and that
> we can learn more about our early ancestry.
> Bonnie Schrack
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