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From: John Carr <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Assistance with Results Interpretation
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:02 -0700
References: <LPBBIOAAMGMFKIJPLJBCOEFHDMAA.dclwilson@earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <LPBBIOAAMGMFKIJPLJBCOEFHDMAA.dclwilson@earthlink.net>


The stone unturned hides the prize.

John Carr

On May 5, 2005, at 7:10 AM, David Wilson wrote:

> John and Phil,
>
> Sounds to me as though you two have the makings of a really interesting
> Barlow conversation.
>
> My point in replying is just to strengthen Phil's caution that without
> supplementary evidence 33/37 and 34/37 matches are not really as close
> as
> they may seem. I have several such matches (and even one 35/37) with
> other
> surnames. But I'm still waiting for the second Wilson with anything
> even
> remotely close to a match as close as those.
>
> David Wilson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Goff [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:07 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Assistance with Results Interpretation
>
>
> John,
>
> I did a double-take when I read your message because I have one
> participant
> in the Goff Surname DNA Study that matches the Barlow family 25/25 and
> another 12/12. The 25/25 match is waiting for the third panel of the
> total
> 37 markers. See http://home.comcast.net/~philgoff/DNAresults.htm for
> details. I checked your kit # and find that your closest match is to
> the R1b
> Barlows while my participant is an exact match for the I (most likely
> I1a)
> Barlows. Re your results, do you know of any possible connection with
> the
> Barlow family, such as families traditions or geographical proximity?
> Secondly, if there is no apparent geographical or other connection, it
> seems
> to me that a 33/37 or 34/37 match in haplogroup R1b is a bit of a
> stretch.
>
> In the case of my two participants, they each descend from separate
> Goff
> families that lived in Tennessee. Descendants of these two families,
> plus
> another Goff family, all have family traditions that their ancestor
> was born
> a Barlow (or a variant), orphaned and then adopted by a Goff family.
> The
> Barlow family that is an exact match for these participants also lived
> in
> TN. If the match holds up at 37 markers, I believe we will have
> confirmed
> this family tradition and confirmed that these three Goff ancestors
> were
> most likely brothers.
>
> Because John and I have similar situations, I'd like to append my
> Barlow
> connection to his email and also ask for comment. Thanks,
>
> Phil Goff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M True" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:19 AM
> Subject: [DNA] Assistance with Results Interpretation
>
>
>> Good morning fellow group members,
>>
>> My name is John Eckersley and I would be grateful to receive people's
>> comments on or interpretation of the following please:
>>
>> 1. Due to the similarity of my results with a group in the Barlow DNA
>> project I have asked for my results to be posted with their project.
>> A
>> very recent match between myself and a new Barlow candidate has just
>> occurred at 33/37 using the Stepwise Model. However 2 of the steps
>> occur
>> at CDYa which FTDNA have as one of their faster mutating markers. Am
>> I
>> correct in thinking when using the FTDNA hybrid model I should
>> interpret
>> this difference as 1 not 2, in FTDNA terms making us 34/37 = related?
>>
>> my kit is # 22784, the close matching Barlow project member is kit #
>> 30538
>> http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Options/BARLOWDNAPROJECT.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. We all appear to have a version of the AMH however the DYS393=12
>> is a
>> common feature of the Barlow subgroup marked in Blue. I would be very
>> interested to hear what Bonnie, Anne, Ken, David etc have to say about
>> this feature and any other of the markers which they feel may have
>> significant values.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Eckersley
>> Eckersley Surname Project Co-Ordinator
>>
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