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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] William the Conqueror
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:33:56 -0500
In-Reply-To: <052220052024.19243.4290EA91000A3F5800004B2B2200762194050B989A0E00@comcast.net>


According to Heimskringla written in Iceland in the 12th century David is
correct. Rollo, otherwise known as Hrolf the Walker was expelled from
Norway for murder of another Norwegian noble. There is a statue of Rollo in
Alesund Norway honoring this traditional descent. Rollo was a half brother(
different wives) of the line that became the Jarls of the Orkneys.

Mark MacDonald

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Subject: Re: [DNA] William the Conqueror

John:

Whatever is on my website for Shetland is what I have been given. The
Eystein claim stands - others have noted that Rollo is of this lineage in
the male line - I took their statement at face value and will let others
puzzle it out as I have other fish to fry at the moment :-)

David F.



-------------- Original message --------------

> Hi David,
>
> I understood your Sinclair descended from Eystein, aka "The Noisy", Jarl
of
> Glumra. You now say the Sinclair is from the same Y-DNA line as William
the
> Conqueror. I don't believe I have heard it claimed that William's ancestor

> Rollo was descended from Eystein. Does Rollo descend from Eystein on the
> direct male line?
>
> Regards,
> John Marsh.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] William the Conqueror
>
>
> > Ken:
> >
> > You did not mention that there are exceptions to your description below
-
> Y-DNA and mtDNA. You are only speaking of autosomal DNA.
> >
> > The Y chromosome of my Shetland Islands Bruce participant appears to
have
> come directly, and intact except for a few inconsequential mutations, from

> the Royal Bruce of Scotland family. The same can be said for my Stewart
> participant sharing the same Y chromosome as James V of Scotland, and my
> Sinclair participant having the same Y chromosome as William the Conqueror

> (although not a direct lineal descendant of the latter). Curiously all are

> R1b. More to the point, all these men inherited the chromosome as a unit
> (the recombining part at the tips being an exception) and so despite the
> large number of generations (e.g., 30) separating them and their ancestors

> of 1000 or so years ago they are in the position of having "bragging
rights"
> as to having one of their 46 chromosomes that can be traced via genealogy
> and DNA research to a known figure in the early history of Europe.
> >
> > David F.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > > Its even worse than your observation of a "finite number of genes".
> Because
> > > of "crossover" in which the matched pairs of chromosomes split and
> exchange
> > > whole segments of themselves with each other (about three parts per
> > > chromosome I have read), we don't inherit genes one by one each
> generation,
> > > but in large hunks. By only the 10th generation back the math suggests

> you
> > > start having ancestors from which you inherited no genetic materials
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > So from about the 10th generation back most of one's ancestors are
only
> > > "behavioral ancestors" in that their matings were a causal link which
> > > eventually led to oneself. They leave us no genetic material. That's
why
> > > at about the 10th generation back I get more interested in tribes,
> clans,
> > > and regional populations. Their gene pools become our meaningful deep
> > > genetic ancestral origins further back in time.
> > >
> > > Incidently, I am not discounting the importance of "behavioral
> ancestry".
> > > We are nature-plus-nurture creatures. The family cultural (behavioral)

> > > traditions handed down from generation to generation are as important
to
> us
> > > as the genetic handdowns. And a family line which has believed it
> descends
> > > from Bruce of Scotland could very well have preserved a family culture

> for
> > > centuries which reflects that genealogical origin.
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> >
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