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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for DYS385...)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:01:43 -0600
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I have no I1b on my list of those who have done the Kittler test yet. But
there could be some who have and I did not hear about it?

I1b is a marker for which the first 12 markers are very wimpy for
identifying it even if normal. This is clearly a very rare haplotype. The
longer we take a somewhat passive role with regard to FTDNA and let their
pronouncements govern what we think, the slower will be our progress. The
collective experience of this List exceeds FTDNA in sorting out haplogroups
short of SNPs. Independent of whether the "haplogroup prediction charts"
specify haplogroup, we can make an educated assessment with sufficient
markers until such time the owners of an unusual one choose to have a SNP
test.

Do you know if the "matches" are actually matches or near-matches? 12
marker or 25 marker? If there really are some matches then the population
of this strange haplotype should be significant enough to maybe show up in
Sorenson? Then I could get the key markers. Are the matches or near
matches identified as to their surnames or Ysearch code numbers? I'll scout
around maybe if I have time during my packing. But my guess is that it will
be lucky to find a DYS462 = 9 in Sorenson, Ysearch, or Ybase?

Ken


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Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for
DYS385...)


> Ken & Phil,
>
> SNP testing will have to await the day I can afford to pay for it.
> Participant isn't interested in deep ancestry. Project Admin thinks it is
I because
> of the 12 marker matches -- most are I or I1b, with J2 and C thrown in
there.
> While there are some 1- and 2-step matches at the 25 marker level, those
> have not been SNP tested either, and Bennett explained to me that even if
you
> have close matches at 25 or 37 levels, if they have not been SNP tested,
they
> will not be included on your haplogroup prediction charts. For the time
> being, I will consider it a possible I1b -- of course I don't know of any
other
> I1bs that have had the Kittler test or the DYS643 test. If you do, how
do
> their 385(K) and 643 results compare to this? Might be worthwhile to see
if
> there is an I1b pattern for these markers and see if this one fits? Then
I can
> purchase the SNP test for it later and see if our prediction was
accurate?
>
> Not even getting into Thomas's potential 464 test -- although I would
think
> this might be a prime candidate for that test as well.
>
> Anne
>


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