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From: Bonnie Schrack <>
Subject: New cluster? (was maybe I1b, maybe J2)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:09:19 -0400


Anne wrote about the mystery haplotype,

> Haven't done a Ysearch or Ybase search yet.

You may have by now, I don't know. . . I just did at Ysearch, and there
are two samples that match this haplotype *exactly*, at 25 markers. I
suppose one of them is your participant? Neither have any markers
entered in Ysearch beyond 25, so I guess those new test results you
mentioned have not been added. Also there's an exact match at 12 markers.

Then, there are a good number of matches at genetic distances of 2 on
up. Many have the haplogroup as unknown, but the ones who do give a
haplogroup almost all say "I." There is a "G" at a genetic distance of
11, but he doesn't match the others at 390 (22), 388 (12) and 458 (18).
Also there is a "C3" with a gen. dist. of 10, who differs at DYS19 (15)
and 385a,b (11,16). However, I wouldn't completely rule either of them
out as part of this cluster, since these are probably just estimated
haplogroups.

Now I am looking at the haplotypes all lined up -- this is exciting! We
seem to have a new cluster here. Not quite as rare a haplotype as we
had thought. Each and every one of these haplotypes I've selected
from the results list have the 8 10 10 12 at 459a,b, 455 and 454. *19*
of them have 14,14,15,15 at 464! 2 have 14,14,14,15, and 2 have
13,14,15,15.

Eight have been tested at YCAII and 7 of those have 19,19. Five of
those also have 14,14,15,15. The other one has 19,21. Of these same
eight, they have a variety of non-doubled values at CDYa,b, except for
one which has 34,34. (It's also one of the doubled at 464).

There is lots more to see. I'm sending the comparison chart to Anne.
Whichever of these folks has a SNP test will be doing a great service to
the whole group.

Bonnie Schrack




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