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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] New cluster? (was maybe I1b, maybe J2)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:43:36 -0600
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Bonnie, Fantastic! I think you are on to something. My ears perk up every
time a 19,19 cluster at YCA turns up. Rootsi shows an inordinate fraction
of 19,19 in what they have SNPed as I* or I1*; in other words negative for
I1a, I1b, and I1c, yet I. In I1c or I2 I have this cluster of 19,19 guys
who I suspect of being root or early I1c. Maybe you found root I1b or even
earlier clade in I? You can not imagine the odds against 10,12 at 455,454
before today --- I still find it hard to believe!

Both I1c and I1b have 11,14,14,15 as common and close behind for I1b are
11,14,15,15 and 12,14,15,15

Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Schrack" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: [DNA] New cluster? (was maybe I1b, maybe J2)


> Anne wrote about the mystery haplotype,
>
> > Haven't done a Ysearch or Ybase search yet.
>
> You may have by now, I don't know. . . I just did at Ysearch, and there
> are two samples that match this haplotype *exactly*, at 25 markers. I
> suppose one of them is your participant? Neither have any markers
> entered in Ysearch beyond 25, so I guess those new test results you
> mentioned have not been added. Also there's an exact match at 12 markers.
>
> Then, there are a good number of matches at genetic distances of 2 on
> up. Many have the haplogroup as unknown, but the ones who do give a
> haplogroup almost all say "I." There is a "G" at a genetic distance of
> 11, but he doesn't match the others at 390 (22), 388 (12) and 458 (18).
> Also there is a "C3" with a gen. dist. of 10, who differs at DYS19 (15)
> and 385a,b (11,16). However, I wouldn't completely rule either of them
> out as part of this cluster, since these are probably just estimated
> haplogroups.
>
> Now I am looking at the haplotypes all lined up -- this is exciting! We
> seem to have a new cluster here. Not quite as rare a haplotype as we
> had thought. Each and every one of these haplotypes I've selected
> from the results list have the 8 10 10 12 at 459a,b, 455 and 454. *19*
> of them have 14,14,15,15 at 464! 2 have 14,14,14,15, and 2 have
> 13,14,15,15.
>
> Eight have been tested at YCAII and 7 of those have 19,19. Five of
> those also have 14,14,15,15. The other one has 19,21. Of these same
> eight, they have a variety of non-doubled values at CDYa,b, except for
> one which has 34,34. (It's also one of the doubled at 464).
>
> There is lots more to see. I'm sending the comparison chart to Anne.
> Whichever of these folks has a SNP test will be doing a great service to
> the whole group.
>
> Bonnie Schrack
>
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