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From: "Lawrence Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for DYS385...)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:39:45 -0700
What is the Kittler Test and why is it important? I've only been reading
this forum for a few weeks now, and am still working on getting up to speed.
My Haplogroup is most likely I1b (western I1b from what I've read from Ken).
I'm interested in more than just recent family matches, so anything that
would unlock some history for me would be great. The closest match I've
seen to mine was 4 markers off FTDNA 37 marker test, but I saw some closer
matches in the Sorenson Database (almost all in England, with one in
San Diego, CA
>Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:17:15 EDT
>I'm not aware of any I1b's who have taken the Kittler test. there are 83
>listed as I1b in Ysearch, with a variety of surnames. Only 1 or 2 are
>I recognize as belonging to the surname projects of folks who are regular
>contributors to this list and who seem to be interested in this kind of
>-- one is a HAMILTON, and there is a SPENCE.
>First, I completely mis-posted one marker. This person does NOT have
>but instead has DYS463=23. Don't ask me where I got the other DYS462=9
>The 12 marker matches are spread between 1 and 4 steps. The 25 marker
>matches are 1 and 2-steps (but not SNP tested).
>At SMGF there are 4 matches at the 85% level -- two are 19/21, one is 18/20
>and one is 18/21. NONE match on DYS449. (after correcting for the
>Haven't done a Ysearch or Ybase search yet.
>In a message dated 5/23/2005 9:02:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>I have no I1b on my list of those who have done the Kittler test yet.
>there could be some who have and I did not hear about it?
>I1b is a marker for which the first 12 markers are very wimpy for
>identifying it even if normal. This is clearly a very rare haplotype.
>longer we take a somewhat passive role with regard to FTDNA and let their
>pronouncements govern what we think, the slower will be our progress. The
>collective experience of this List exceeds FTDNA in sorting out
>short of SNPs. Independent of whether the "haplogroup prediction charts"
>specify haplogroup, we can make an educated assessment with sufficient
>markers until such time the owners of an unusual one choose to have a SNP
>Do you know if the "matches" are actually matches or near-matches? 12
>marker or 25 marker? If there really are some matches then the population
>of this strange haplotype should be significant enough to maybe show up
>Sorenson? Then I could get the key markers. Are the matches or near
>matches identified as to their surnames or Ysearch code numbers? I'll
>around maybe if I have time during my packing. But my guess is that it
>be lucky to find a DYS462 = 9 in Sorenson, Ysearch, or Ybase?
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