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From: "Lawrence Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for DYS385...)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:03:00 -0700
In-Reply-To: <000b01c55ffc$d9d9bcd0$c6559045@Ken1>


My 385a,b is 12,15. Should I have the four 464 markers tested too? How
pricy is this? I didn't see anything listed on the FTDNA site.

Lawrence Wilson,
San Diego, CA



>From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [DNA] maybe I1b, maybe J2 (was Prime I1a Candidates for
>DYS385...)
>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:06:43 -0600
>
>The Kittler test is relevant if your DYS385a,b values are not equal. For
>example, most Western I1b is 12,15.
>
>Up until now the measurement of 12,15 could not tell which site in the ydna
>had the 12 and which had the 15 (there are two sites A and B in the ydna
>with something different about their near environment which some chemicals
>(primers) can now identify). Kittler developed a way to measure whether a
>12,15 is really a 12,15 or a 15,12. And similarly with any other DYS385a,b
>pair of results with unequal lengths. Clearly a DYS385 = 15,15 has STRs of
>the same length at both sites.
>
>This divides up apparent populations into two different populations, one
>with each of the orders. For instance, a DYS385 = 13,14 population is two
>mutational steps from a DYS385 = 14,13 population. This has major
>implications for sorting out the migration and haplotype evolution process
>of a haplogroup. And in some cases could have genealogical implications as
>well. No one has yet had the order measured at I1b, let alone Western I1b.
>You could be the first in the world in your subclade to know your order,
>and
>then future measurements can be compared to your result, and it can be
>compared to the dominant order in Dinaric I1b as well as I1c and I1a.
>Normal I1a is found to be dominantly "high/low" in its order.

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