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From: "Jim Carpenter" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [DNA] Question - Haplogroup R1A1
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:02:23 -0700
References: <20050611014054.114.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com>


Ellen,

Well that makes sense then. I didn't know that 50% were Levite. Ok.
It's all getting clearer now.
Thanks for all the help everyone!


Best Regards,

Jim Carpenter
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From: "ellen Levy" <>
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Re: [DNA] Question - Haplogroup R1A1


> Jim:
>
> Your Levite matches are based on the fact that over
> 50% of this group is R1a1.
>
> This haplogroup is not "Nordic," but as David noted,
> can be used to trace Viking ancestry for those in the
> British Isles. Furthermore, R1a1 is fairly prevelant
> in Scandinavian groups (25% overall, is that correct,
> David??)
>
> Haplogroup R1a1 did not originate in Scandinavia and
> the migration of this haplogroup to Norway & Sweden is
> a matter of great debate, as David Faux can attest to.
> In fact, the origins of this haplogroup remain a
> mystery and continue to be greatly debated. I fall
> into the camp that believes this haplogroup developed
> in areas between the Black and Caspian Seas - right
> around where the Kurgan culture occurred about 6000
> BC, but as David Wilson noted, this haplogroup is far
> older than this archaeologically-defined cultural
> entity. It is probably also closely connected to the
> Indo-Iranian (Bactria) cultures that occurred somewhat
> further east. This moves us closer to the region
> where others like David Faux believe R1a1 originated -
> in the areas around Pakistan and Afghanistan.
>
> A few months back, we discussed on the List where the
> precusor to R1a1 - haplogroup R1a - has been found.
> As far as I know, it has only been located in some
> Turkish populations, which moves us back to the Black
> & Caspian Sea region again, though in a more southern
> location.
>
> Ellen Coffman
>
> --- wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. We did have the whole 37
>> marker test done through FTDNA.
>> You wrote -YCAIIa,b = 19,21 and our are YCAIIa,b =
>> 19,23
>> also in the haplogroup matches we had a lot of
>> Ashkenazi Levite matches?
>> Once again thank for the reply.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Jim Carpenter
>>
>> >
>> > From: (David Faux)
>> > Date: 2005/06/10 Fri PM 08:05:14 EDT
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Re: [DNA] Question - Haplogroup R1A1
>> >
>> > Jim:
>> >
>> > If your ancestors are from Britain, then R1a1 is
>> almost certainly the stamp of Vikings circa 793 AD
>> on. There is an unmistakable indicator found in 40%
>> of R1a1 Norwegians and in all of my Shetland sample
>> who have aboriginal surnames - YCAIIa,b = 19,21. If
>> you have that pattern (you need to have FTDNA's full
>> 37 markers since it is in the third panel - or be
>> tested by another company who also measures it) then
>> you are of Norse origin. The motif 19,23 is
>> universal in Eastern Europe and in 60% of
>> Norwegians, but the 19, 21 with R1a1 is clearly
>> Viking and has not been observed in any Eastern
>> European sample to date. If your ancestor is from
>> Poland or Germany, however, then FTDNA's explanation
>> would be approximately correct.
>> >
>> > David F.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >
>> > > This is my first post here on the list and let
>> me start with this. I am by no
>> > > way a DNA expert so if I seem a little confused
>> well ----- I am.
>> > > We did our yDNA testing through FTDNA and when
>> we got the results back we had
>> > > several matches which helped somewhat but I'm
>> still stuck at my brick wall.
>> > > That's another story.
>> > > My question is this --for the Haplogroup matches
>> it shows it to be R1A1 for my
>> > > brother.
>> > > I have researched this Haplogroup but I find
>> myself running in circles. One site
>> > > says this group is Nordic. FTDNA says
>> > >
>> > > R1a The R1a lineage is believed to have
>> originated in the Eurasian Steppes
>> > > north of the Black and Caspian Seas. This
>> lineage is believed to have originated
>> > > in a population of the Kurgan culture, known for
>> the domestication of the horse
>> > > (approximately 3000 B.C.E.). These people were
>> also believed to be the first
>> > > speakers of the Indo-European language group.
>> This lineage is currently found in
>> > > central and western Asia, India, and in Slavic
>> populations of Eastern Europe.
>> > >
>> > > So in finding this is it safe to say that
>> Haplogroup R1A1 is found in both
>> > > locations?
>> > > Could someone please explain this to me?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Jim Carpenter
>> >
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