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From: victor villarreal <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] RE: Kittler on E3b [Ashkenazi matches]
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:06:34 -0500
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Thanks again. I'll be looking forward to the subclade tests for E3b.
Hopefully it won't be a very lengthy wait.
Just one more thing: in the mean time, will upgrading to 37 markers make it
any easier to narrow down a likely subclade?
On 6/10/05, ellen Levy <> wrote:
> Yes, the value of 12 at DYS#392 is unusual. But Behar
> did find 1 out of 12 of his Ashkenazi E-M78's with
> this same value.
> You could also be E-M35* or E-M123, although Semino
> does not report finding E-M123 in Spanish groups and
> E-M35* was only found in an Andalusian sample at 2.7%.
> Cruciani's findings seems to agree with Semino's
> regarding the very low frequency of this sub-clade in
> Spain,though he reports on finding a low frequency in
> Portugal as well. I still haven't figured out that
> 1.4% of E-M35* found among Estonians!
> Ellen Coffman
> --- victor villarreal <>
> > Hello, David & Ellen
> > Thank you very much for responding to my question.
> > Your observations are
> > very interesting.
> > What makes it even more puzzling for me is a
> > statement in a document by
> > Semino et al. quote:
> > "It is interesting that both E-P2* and E-M35* and
> > their derivatives, E-M78
> > and EM123, exhibit in Ethiopians the 12-repeat
> > allele at the DYS392
> > microsatellite locus, and allele scarcely seen
> > (Y-Chromosome STR Database),
> > especially in other haplogroups and other
> > populations (A.S.S.-B.,
> > unpublished data). "
> > As it happens my DYS392 = 12. I might as well toss a
> > coin in the air and
> > choose between M78, M81 or M123. :-)
> > Victor Villarreal
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